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Preterists still won't give up...

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by robycop3, Dec 8, 2017.

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  1. prophecy70

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    That is not necessarly premillennialism
     
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    Remember, it's not too hard to prove something has not happened, especially an earth-changing event such as those described in Revelation pertaining to the great trib. These are HUGE events, & had any of them already occurred, it'd occupy a very-prominent place in history. But they're all absent from history, & that's because they simply haven't yet happened!

    OTOH, it's impossible to prove a Biblically-prophesied event is not gonna happen! faced with the FACT that they CANNOT PROVE the events they SAY have happened, have NOT yet happened, preterists often relegate them to the realm of "figurative" language, while others try to shoehorn some other events into the mix, while the silliest of them invent some goofy excuse such as "the Romans committed the AOD by worshipping their eagle ensigns in the temple" or "the mark of the beast was Caesar's likeness on Roman coins".

    So we see a VAST amount of evidence against preterism, while we see nothing but silly excuses against futurism.
     
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    MMRRPP! WRONG!

    I said several times that was a GUESS on my part. I also said there's nothing to prove it WON'T happen.




    No, people of A prince, not THE prince who is to come. did the destroying The prince at the time of that destruction did NOT want the temple destroyed.





    I suggest you pull out your Webster's Unabridged & look up the definition of "knowledge" to see how SILLY your statement is, as well as look at HISTORY, then come back & tell us again knowledge & travel is NOT increasing! Your credibility is going south fast!




    I didn't write nor alter one word of Scripture. OTOH, YOU simply don't believe those parts which prove your preterism wrong.
     
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    And you simply deny things like the people of the prince who would come and destroy the temple did come and destroy the temple Jesus was speaking about in Olivet, And the temple is not there to prove it. You are the pot calling the kettle black.
     
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    Do you watch star trek? I believe you get the bible and that show mixed up sometimes.

    Whats that matter? The prince isn't the subject.

    And you should get some commentaries on that verse, and read them.
    If you wouldn't take it clear out of context, the verse means, people will search to and fro after the book is unsealed to gain knowledge about Daniel's prophecies. Not about planes trains and automobiles.

    Nothing proves it wrong.
     
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    Britannica?! :Laugh:Laugh:Laugh:Laugh

    The tabernacle of David is the body of Christ, the church.

    And so prophecy was delivered to you by the Spirit in metaphorical terms, and the historical fulfillment of that prophecy is stated quite explicitly, but you reject it in favor of your Darbyist notions. That's what I mean by history as you imagine it, and not as it was delivered to you.

    And we could go on and on. The seed of Abraham, to whom the prophecies were given. Paul states, again quite unmistakably, that God didn't mean seeds (plural), but seed (singular), meaning Christ. And all who have faith in Christ are Abraham's seed (plural) and heirs according to the Promise. They are the elect.

    But, again, you reject what is plainly stated in favor of your pet notions, thinking there is still some legitimacy to a Levitical priesthood, and brick temple and bleeding animals and legalistic feasts and high holy days when the true High Priest according to the Spirit is of the order of Melchizedek, not Levi. And Christ according to the flesh is of Judah, which are forbidden to serve in the tabernacle and so occupies the office contrary to the commandment which says only a Levite and a descendant of Aaron.

    You need to take these things to Revelation. Not vice versa.
     
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    Now did this Cyclops come from the rogue planet and bring the Britannica?
     
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    No, YOU insist Titus was the prince of Daniel. Gabriel didn't tell Danny "A coming prince will lead an army of his people to destroy J & the sanctuary." He said "the people of the prince....."

    But the RUINS of the temple are there.
     
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    Full blown preterism has always been seen as being heresy bu the historical Church though!
     
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    Can YOU PROVE it won't happen? Can you even prove scenarios that resemble Star trek a little bit won't happen?



    Right. the PEOPLE(Romans) is the subject. Nothing's said about that prince being present at the time of the destructions.



    There are many commentaries giving many views of that verse, but Occam's razor says "When in doubt, go with tyhe OBVIOUS. And it's VERY-OBVIOUS that travel & knowledge have vastly increased as never before in the last hundred years, at an unprecedented rate.

    Men had the same mental capacity in earlier times as they do now, so how come it took so long for tech to develop? Because God held it back, obviously! I believe that holdback began in the time of the tower of Babel when God judged man was acquiring knowledge too fast.

    I skimmed thru several commentaries on this verse, & most of those that hold your view are older ones, written before the texh explosion. Obviously, mewn such as Wesley wrote before this increase in knowledge began in earnest, & so couldn't see it as fulfilled prophecy.

    You may hold any view you wish, but I believe it's quite silly to DENY THE OBVIOUS, so I'm holding to the view that this prophecy was, & is, being fulfilled by the tech explosion.
     
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    So, YOU know more than the people who put it together?

    MMRRPP! WRONG!

    "Tabernacle" actually means "tent, house, or habitation", not necessarily a place of worship. The Hebrew is "mishkan": the Greek is "skene". The 'tabernacle' mentioned here is David's dynasty, which God promised him would last forever.[/I]


    No, the fulfillment of much of it has not yet occurred, simple as that. The jews have a sovereign nation, but the majority of the Jews live elsewhere, and Israel isn't yet restored at all.

    Remember, Israel and the true Church are separate entities. While any Israeli can become part of the Church, one can be an Israeli only by ancestry.

    No, God is gonna restore NATIONAL ISRAEL, according to His word. But I agree that JESUS is the true High Priest. many of the last human ones were appointed by the greex or Romans anyway. Hor example, the infamous Caiaphas was appointed by Valerius Gratus, the Roman prelate succeeded by Pontius Pilate. The Levite High Priests presided over the Old Covenant system of animal sacrifices, etc. while JESUS sacrificed HIMSELF to fulfill the sacrificial laws once for all, for good. HE instituted, & presides over, the NEW Covenant.

    But again, the Church and Israel are separate entities!
     
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    No, it was brung by the little green men from the planet Algore.
     
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    How come?
     
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    Is this a Christian forum?
     
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    Oh my. your credibility just gets go down hill.


    Your point?

    That makes no sense what so ever.
     
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    PROVE IT

    PROVE IT

    PROVE THAT THEY ARE SEPARATE
     
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    WIth robycop3 its mostly entertainment.
     
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    Thanks! It appears that way from where I sit. Is he a KJV-onlyist?
     
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    Duh.

    And we are that habitation.

    Eph 2:19-22
    Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

    So you see that 'tent' or 'building' is a metaphor.

    And it does through Christ, the seed of David, and we are his brothers by faith, or have you forgotten that the Millennial Kingdom you're looking forward to comes to an end?

    Maybe Britannica forgot to mention that.
     
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    Because God's time hasn't arrived yet. He won't be one nanosecond off in accomplishing His will.
     
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