1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Jesus Christ: The Atonement For The Human Race

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Saved-By-Grace, Mar 9, 2018.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Top Posters
Page 5 of 12
  1. JonC

    JonC Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    35,198
    Likes Received:
    3,791
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I don't follow.
     
    #81 JonC, Mar 9, 2018
  2. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2000
    Messages:
    1,545
    Likes Received:
    56
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No you speak in riddles! God has provided the means for ALL sinners, but only the elect will be saved, because God will only "call" the elect? In which case, God is insincere with the non-elect!
     
    #82 Saved-By-Grace, Mar 9, 2018
  3. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2000
    Messages:
    1,545
    Likes Received:
    56
    Faith:
    Baptist
    We have to choose the word that the original language allows, and it seems best from LXX use of the Hebrew, that "sin-offering" is the term. I am open to sensible suggestions though
     
    #83 Saved-By-Grace, Mar 9, 2018
  4. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Jesus death was meant to save only those who would be able to receive him to get saved, his elect....
     
    #84 Yeshua1, Mar 9, 2018
  5. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2000
    Messages:
    1,545
    Likes Received:
    56
    Faith:
    Baptist
    now, if the Bible says, "especially", why would you change that to "only". Does the Bible affect your theology?
     
    #85 Saved-By-Grace, Mar 9, 2018
    • Winner Winner x 1
  6. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2000
    Messages:
    1,545
    Likes Received:
    56
    Faith:
    Baptist
    more theology...please give Scripture instead!
     
    #86 Saved-By-Grace, Mar 9, 2018
  7. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No, God gives them the same message as the Elect, and they made the decision to keep on rejecting Christ!
     
    #87 Yeshua1, Mar 9, 2018
  8. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Jesus said that he came for just His lost sheep, and only them would be able to hear His voice, as he knew them, and they will know Him....
     
    #88 Yeshua1, Mar 9, 2018
  9. JonC

    JonC Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    35,198
    Likes Received:
    3,791
    Faith:
    Baptist
    This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. These things command and teach.
     
    #89 JonC, Mar 9, 2018
  10. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    God only saves those whom He has a covenant relationship with. correct?
     
    #90 Yeshua1, Mar 9, 2018
  11. JonShaff

    JonShaff Fellow Servant
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2015
    Messages:
    2,954
    Likes Received:
    425
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Propitiation, to me, seems to also equate to "Appeasement" or "To Satisfy"--especially in context. The Lord Jesus' Death satisfied the Wrath of God (God's Justice), but is applied (and He intercedes) to Those who have placed their Faith in Him.
     
    #91 JonShaff, Mar 9, 2018
  12. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2000
    Messages:
    1,545
    Likes Received:
    56
    Faith:
    Baptist
    "Propitiation", is the choice of some English versions of the Bible, following the Latin Vulgate. However, "sin-offering" is what the Greek means as used in the LXX and defined by the Greek lexicon of Liddell and Scott.
     
    #92 Saved-By-Grace, Mar 9, 2018
  13. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2000
    Messages:
    1,545
    Likes Received:
    56
    Faith:
    Baptist
    in John chapter 5, Jesus was in conversation with some Jews who wanted to murder Him. see verses 16-18. In verse 19 we read, "So Jesus said to them...", and the rest of the chapter is to these Jews. In verses 24-25, Jesus tells these same Jews, "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live." And, in verse 34, Jesus says to them, "...I say these things so that you may be saved"

    here we have Jesus speaking to Jews who wanted to murder Him, and He says that He wants to SAVE THEM!
     
    #93 Saved-By-Grace, Mar 9, 2018
  14. Saved-By-Grace

    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2000
    Messages:
    1,545
    Likes Received:
    56
    Faith:
    Baptist
    FREE WILL
     
    #94 Saved-By-Grace, Mar 9, 2018
  15. JonC

    JonC Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    35,198
    Likes Received:
    3,791
    Faith:
    Baptist
    "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Romans 10:13

    For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Acts 2:21
     
    #95 JonC, Mar 9, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
  16. JonShaff

    JonShaff Fellow Servant
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2015
    Messages:
    2,954
    Likes Received:
    425
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I do not believe that is an effective way of doing word studies. If Propitiation has a theological implication for Christ and His Work, how could the LXX use it in a congruent way. It is similar in that it means "Appeasement" per the LALS.
     
    #96 JonShaff, Mar 9, 2018
  17. JonShaff

    JonShaff Fellow Servant
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2015
    Messages:
    2,954
    Likes Received:
    425
    Faith:
    Baptist
    This is how my pea brain understands it

    Propitiation = appeasement/something of GOD is satisfied--Namely, His Justice

    Atonement = Man is made "At ONe" with God--To bring back into Favor/harmony
     
    #97 JonShaff, Mar 9, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
  18. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Limited, as all free will is restricted by a sin natures, cannot will to do anything, just now certain things!
     
    #98 Yeshua1, Mar 9, 2018
  19. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The lost are of their father, Satan, as there are only children of God by the new birth, or of the kingdom of Satan, by the physical birth!
     
    #99 Yeshua1, Mar 9, 2018
  20. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Those who will be able to do such as the ones who are His own elect....
     
    #100 Yeshua1, Mar 9, 2018
Page 5 of 12
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...