I Felt I Should Drop in and Explain Why I Left

Yes. Being filled with the Spirit is separate from being indwelt. That is why Paul exhorted one not be drunk with wine, but filled with the Spirit.

The Old Testament Saints were filled, but not indwelt (on an eternal basis having been reconciled through Christ), whereas Christians are indwelt but it seems, seldom filled...


God bless.

 

I don't even have to watch that to guess C3PO states, I am versed in over five billion languages..."

That is funny.


God bless.

 

He has that. Being Charismatic doesn't mean one isn't saved, it simply means one doesn't understand the Word of God.


God bless.

 

You have proven nothing with this reference. I could say exactly the same thing about me speaking Japanese in a church where no one understood it. I would be speaking mysteries, and I would be doing it in the spirit, meaning in a spiritual way if I were talking about spiritual things.

Prove to me that "speaking in tongues" in the Bible means what you say it is and not what I say it is. I have plenty of evidence on my side that the Bible word "tongue" simply means "language."

Here is just one example from the Friberg lexicon entry for glossa. Note that the typical Charismatic meaning of making sounds you don't know the meaning of is not in the lexicon. I have omitted the Greek words in the definition since they don't transfer to the BB.

"glossa: the tongue, Hom., etc.
2. the tongue, as the organ of speech, through love of talking, Hes., Aesch.; by word of mouth, Hdt., Thuc.; not by word of mouth, not from mere hearsay, Aesch.; so, Soph.; i`e, to let loose one's tongue, speak without restraint, Id.; pl., i.e. with blasphemies, Id.:-for
II. a tongue, language, Hom., Hdt., etc.
III. the tongue or mouthpiece of a pipe, Aeschin. (Deriv. unknown.)"

 

Lighten up.

Sometimes people need a good chomping, and a little humor, if properly employed, can lighten the atmosphere.

Just because you don't have a sense of humor doesn't mean others can't have one.


God bless.

 

What's your point? I believe this passage with all my heart. It's Bible. They spoke miraculously with other languages and "prophesied," no doubt about Jesus.

I shared the experience of Jonathan Goforth, who received the ability to speak in Chinese for the rest of his ministry as an answer to prayer. Have you ever "prophesied" about Jesus to anyone in a miraculously received language like Goforth did? If not, you should hold your peace, since you do not have the experience of those believers in Acts 19.

 

I videoed a lady in our church speaking in tongues. I left that church feeling that I too received a spiritual touch from just being in service...

 

Who got saved? If no one got saved, it was not the NT version of tongues. No wonder the pews are almost empty in that church. Revival is absent.

You are simply giving verses and personal experience, not proving your view of tongues using facts.

 

I can only say that I received spiritual experience.

Our Pentecostal Holiness church conducted its service in identical methods as the Methodist did in the 1800s. Back in those days they would encourage you to seek sanctification, and once received, they would tell you that the baptism was not that far away. Sanctification was received with love, spiritual experience, and a sweet spirit.

16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved. - Matthew 9

Today sanctification is not being taught. I cannot believe that the Holy Spirit is genuine in the heart of the believer without a sanctified experience.

 

Sanctification is being taught all through Baptist churches. It is certainly being taught where I go. I am not the pastor, but teach in the Bible college. The thing is that we don't teach your version, or the old Methodist version. We teach that through positional sanctification we have all that we need in Jesus Christ. As we live the "Christ-walk" He gives us power to live righteously through His death on the cross. As my father's life verse says, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me" (Gal. 2:20).

 

I was raised Baptist. Back in those days we use to go to Christian conference and the guys looked like gentlemen and the girls looked like ladies.The word was preached with conviction and would make you want to pray. Here is a sermon recorded back in the 1970's. This guy would fill the prayer rooms with saints and sinners alike and we all left with a sanctified feeling.

It simply was the same spiritual experience I received in the Pentecostal Holiness church.

 

I come from a line of Baptists that believes in revival and soul winning through the power of the Holy Spirit--but not Pentecostal tongues.

Ever hear of my grandfather, famous Baptist revivalist John R. Rice? He saw about 200,000 come to Christ without ever speaking in tongues or advocating or preaching it. He would go to a city for a city-wide campaign back before the Charismatic movement, and invite the old line Pentecostals to participate, saying, "I won't preach on baptism, and don't you bring in your tongues. We'll just try to get people saved."

 

Keep thinking it through and studying Scripture.

 

You should, makes it even funnier that his name is Darrel as well lol.

 

Hey brother, here is some short, but good reading on this:

Understanding Tongues | Free Book Library | Amazing Facts

Speech & Tongues Of Fire



Understanding Tongues | Everlasting Gospel | Amazing Facts

you may find more information at - www.PEARLTREES.com/AWHN

 

I would not have a hard time returning to the Baptist church if they...

Would have the word preached with unction and conviction
Have altar services where saints and sinners a like would gather around the mourners bench for prayer....



In my old Baptist church we had a preacher who caused people to do this... This is from a cassette I bought in the 1970's....

 

If people think they are too good for the altar all I can say is... Count me out!