Sabbath Keepers

Saved, we been debating Bob for years.......like who are you? you just now had a light bulb turn on?

You put words in his MOUTH through what you hear OUT THERE.

Bob has never guaranteed you are getting the mark of the beast. <-- AT LEAST FIND THIS LINE

No sir, Ellen G White is a Quoted "prophet" but is not their current highest authority. SDA ran by a general conference.


They actually have a website and a church manual where you can look up their official teachings.


This is from their website:


"Just before Jesus comes, every person on earth will have the opportunity to decide whether they will be saved or lost — whether they will receive the seal of God or the mark of the beast (see Rev. 7:2,3; Rev. 9:4; Rev. 13:16-18). There are only two choices — to follow God, or to follow the beast."

Will non-Adventists be saved?



SDA have a tiny safety net in that GOD is KIND, LOVING and REASONABLE. So he allows for invincible ignorance.

SDA's official stance tend to be inclusive, Common laity stance accusative.


If you want to stick SDA for bad stuff, I suggest pointing at abortion.

 

anyway, your "mate" Bob is no longer!

 

Believe me anyone who is next to God wants to keep looking like a fool everyday.

The point of me mention Martin Luther is misrepresentation.

Think about this, Bob has never said you are getting mark of the beast.

If you are going to fix a dirty trap, might as well do it properly, where you get BOB to say the stuff, rather then YOU fish it out of the internet and then force it in his mouth.

 

you SDA?

 

Satan smiles too.

If I were a baptist, I'd be in tears of the opportunity of saving a soul, because I trust the word of God can do this.

 

you are in need of great help from the Lord

 

I believe this.

I believe bob needed that help too.

 

You can see the fruit of Bob's "ministry" by the vitriol engendered and he's not even here anymore.

Had he used a little wisdom he would still be here receiving our enlightenment.

 

St Andrews is a catholic church in New Orleans La. My first church. Growing up.

I would also attend Oak Park Baptist church.

But I live in Albuquerque now. The most recent "churching" has been attending Jehovah's witness. They got Alot of issues though, they don't believe in Jesus is God, phobic of other faiths, believe all organizations are ran by the devil. They officially shun former jws But you wouldn't know that from meeting the people who are quite nice in their family plenty of them have former jws and other faiths. Its pretty funny.

 

You have made a very serious charge against me, and I ask you to either back this up with some real evidence, or to apologize to me here on BB. You accuse me of "misrepresenting" the position of the SDA's, especially that of Bob Ryan. This is what he wrote (#55), in response to my comments, that EGW said that those who did not keep the Fourth Commandment, which is the Jewish Sabbath Day, and worshiped on Sunday, the Lord's Day, when Jesus Christ Rose from the dead, and the Day the Church was born, and the Day when the Holy Spirit was first poured out on believers; that these had broken the Law of God, and would therefore receive the "mark of the beast", which means that these do not belong to Jesus Christ, but rather to the devil, and these will not enter into heaven, but will be thrown into the lake of fire, which is eternal punishment. In #55 and elsewhere Bob as much as agreed with what EGW said, and also said that "Time will tell who is right", whether it be what I believe to be true from the Bible, or what EGW "predicted". I also provided a link to EGW's writings, where she says that Sunday worshipers will receive the mark of the beast for breaking the Fourth Commandment, and provide this again, Ellen G. White Estate: Daily Devotional - Maranatha

IF you are a Christian, then you must provide actual evidence for your accusation that I have misrepresented anyone, or, in the spirit of Bible teaching, apologize unreservedly here on BB to myself.

 

the bitter criticism is coming from only one person, who seems to be in cahoot with Bob, who also makes very false allegations that they cannot substantiate.

 

I keep the Lord's Day as Christian Sabbath according to the Puritan view found in the WCF/2LCF. The commandments of the Lord are not burdensome. And I call the Sabbath a delight. The entire day is dedicated to resting from worldly employments and recreation (including watching sports on TV) to dedicate to spiritual labors. If the Lord is my greatest delight, what a gift to man the Sabbath is to have the entire day to devote to him!

 

Your accusation that I am in "cahoot" with bob is a LIE.

I debate him all the time. I don't have to make up false misrepresentations to challenge his faults. I will prepare a answer to your previous post.

 

I am sorry if you don't understand the English language, as you again don't understand with I write. here it is again:

"SEEMS to be in cahoot with Bob". which means in English, "give the impression of being something". It is very different to saying YOU ARE.

 

Sir, you are a classic example of misrepresenting others.

I did, I showed you the official SDA website, their stance concerning other christian faith. I will POST IT AGAIN at the end of this post.

I think your glasses owe you an apology.

Lets have a close look at bob's #55 post......... Nope nothing there.

The charge you are trying to bring on him is "Sunday worshipers will receive Mark of the beast" based on what Ellen G White said, NOTHING on what Bob said.

In post 55 Bob only mentions:

"Rev 14 contrasts the saints who "keep the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" -- with -- those who receive the mark of the beast - and it says this is all future. -- this is irrefutable"


That simply does not equate to "sunday worshipers will recieve the mark of the beast".

If you research the official SDA website they are going to tell you that folks who worship on sunday don't automaticly get mark of the beast, I will post in the end their stance.


If you want I can word a question that will force him to trip the line you want. I can give you lots of tips on playing dirty. But if you read previous debates he already answered that "charge".




I am going to copy and paste a official SDA stance :

The way their system runs is they have a general conference, This guy is the president.

The Seventh Day Adventist has an official website:

Will non-Adventists be saved?


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Will non-Adventists be saved?

May 27, 2016 |


Q: Some Adventist leaders in my country compare the Seventh-day Adventist Church to the ark of Noah during the flood. They tell us that Christ will say to those who are not Adventists, “I never knew you." Is this biblical? — Gin, from Myanmar

A: To answer the second part of your question first, Jesus says in Matthew 7: 21, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.” Then in vs. 22 Jesus quotes all of the good works that these people claim to have done, at the end of which He tells them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!” (vs. 23).

Here Jesus is addressing those who expect to be saved by their works, but are actually practicing “lawlessness.” This could apply to anyone who makes these choices, including those who claim to be Adventist.

There are many precious people who have lived up to all of the faith they knew, and died trusting in Jesus. There will be more than just Seventh-day Adventists in heaven!

Now, regarding Noah’s ark, the Bible tells us that “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all” (Luke 17:26,27, ESV).

God gave an important message to Noah, and for 120 years he warned the people that their world was coming to an end. The only way to be saved was to believe God’s message and come into the ark. Every person had the opportunity to accept the message and be saved. Those who rejected it were lost.

Today, in a world filled with evil and violence, God has entrusted to His remnant people — the Seventh-day Adventist Church — His last day message found in Rev. 14:6-10, the three angels’ messages. The essence of which is found in vs. 7: “’Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.’”

Just before Jesus comes, every person on earth will have the opportunity to decide whether they will be saved or lost — whether they will receive the seal of God or the mark of the beast (see Rev. 7:2,3; Rev. 9:4; Rev. 13:16-18). There are only two choices — to follow God, or to follow the beast.

Just as “Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord” (Gen. 6:8), so can we. We aren’t saved because we are Seventh-day Adventists; we’re saved because we have accepted Jesus as our Savior, we have accepted His revealed truth in the Bible, and we have chosen to follow Him. “Noah walked with God; … according to all that God commanded him, so he did” (Gen. 6:9b, 22).

If you have a question that you would like to send in for consideration in my Q&A posts, you may send it to: askpastorwilson@adventist.org.

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Why are you so mean to others?

 

He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother
The Hollies
The road is long
With many a winding turn
That leads us to who knows where
Who knows where
But I'm strong
Strong enough to carry him
He ain't heavy, he's my brother
So on we go
His welfare is of my concern
No burden is he to bear
We'll get there
For I know
He would not encumber me
He ain't heavy, he's my brother
If I'm laden at all
I'm laden with sadness
That everyone's heart
Isn't filled with the gladness
Of love for one another
It's a long, long road
From which there is no return
While we're on the way to there
Why not share
And the load
Doesn't weigh me down at all
He ain't heavy he's my brother
He's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother, he ain't heavy


Songwriters: Bob Russell / Bobby Scott
He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother lyrics © Music Sales Corporation

 

For now I am going to go with, John Gill, relative to, Chronologically, in my first post.

Someone else will need to apply the context of sabbath/sabbaths.