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Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 1689Dave, Apr 18, 2018.

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  1. Revmitchell

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    Exactly it is the exact same thing
     
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    It is not a formula. It is indoctrination that nobody would come up with on their own.
     
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    No! They are distinct but not separate. That is what "Trinity" means. Three in ONE. You can't take a meat cleaver to the Triunity of the Godhead!
     
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    I believe all who are baptised as believers by immersion are baptized. But there is Power in the Name of Jesus Christ that is missing in most cases.

    Satan hates that name and has talked many out of using it.
     
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    there is also God the father and Holy Spirit also!
     
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    There are 3 Persons within the One Being of God Himself.
     
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    Yes, but all of God is YAHWEH = Jesus Christ in bodily form.
     
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    As I said in my initial post, when we are water baptized it is in identification with the Lord, and as a Trinitarian, I do not separate God into three Gods, but view Him as eternally One God. And since it is the Baptism with the Holy Ghost by which men are immersed into God, and through which they receive eternal life (because they are now in He Who is Eternal and He in them), I don't view water baptism above that which is presented in Scripture. It is a public profession of identification with Christ (which is usually made clear when people are baptized in water) which like the repentance of John's baptism professes that salvation (like the repentance) has already taken place.

    So I see both as acceptable. I would also add that we have the revelation of the New Testament as a completed Canon, where they did not. We have the luxury of sitting around and taking our time to study the Word of God whereas they did not.

    The Catholic Church did not, in my view, create an error with baptizing in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, just as they are not in error to teach something else in Scripture no-one ever mentioned specifically by name: the Trinity.

    So in my view I think we should address the errors of the Catholic Church (which are many,unfortunately), but keep in mind that it is God, The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost that saves men, and that they do not do that independently of Each Other. It is quite reasonable, in my view, to see both ways practiced, because both ways are specifically stated.

    I am glad there isn't another, or more ways mentioned, lol, because two groups at each other is quite enough.

    And that is about all the time I have for today, so for you I would invite you to get involved in some other discussions as well, perhaps starting some other threads. Always glad to see a new face, lol, and always hopeful for good discussion about the Word of God.

    Here's a question to stir up discussion: how would you define the Baptism with the Holy Ghost?

    Hope you and everyone here has a blessed day in the Lord.


    God bless.
     
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    When jesus was here, was the father still in heaven, and the Holy Spirit hear also?
     
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    Just one more, lol.

    This statement seems to indicate a belief that when God took on the flesh of man that He did so in entirety (which creates the concept of the Throne of God being vacant during the Incarnation).

    Is that what you are saying? If so, or, if not, could you explain what you mean by this statement in a little more detail, and I will take a look when I return.


    God bless.
     
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    Not all of God was manifested in Jesus, as there were still the Father and Spirit operating even during the time he was here on earth!
     
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    I did no such thing. The NAME of Jesus in the OT Hebrew was "Jehoshua" meaning "Jehovah is Salvation." There was no single human at that time walking the earth who personified that Name, just as there is no single human at this time walking the earth who personifies the Name of Jesus.

    Explain how? Jesus is the NAME of the Messiah/Savior. "Jehoshua" is that NAME in Hebrew. That is a construct of "Jehovah is Salvation." If that is not a Name but merely a name, doesn't that deny the deity of Christ the Messiah?

    The Name of Jesus, in Hebrew "Jehoshua" was known in the OT and was preached by every OT prophet.

    I, living on the Mexican border, know several men named "Jesus" but none of them can be mistaken for God the Son. Just as there may have been several persons in the OT named "Joshua" none of them could be mistaken for God the Son.

    Yes, I know. "Jehovah" is a made up name because the Orthodox Jews believed the Name of God, YHWH (usually transliterated as "Yahwah" or "Yahway") was too holy to speak so they took the consonants YHWH and combined them with the vowels from the other Hebrew word for "Lord" Adonai and came up with YaHoWaH or Jehovah. And "Jehovah Saves" is the meaning of "Jehoshua."

    As there is no time, sequence, or duration in Heaven, the physical body of God the Son exists in the Eternal Now.

    No, being enthroned at the Right Hand of the Majesty of High is hardly being on the shelf.

    Nope. Got is just right.

    Jesus ascended, in His physical body, into Eternity. Then, from Eternity (where every time on the time scale is "NOW") he went to talk to Abraham, then went back to Eternity. He can do that. It is not too hard for Him. There is nothing too hard for God. Jer 32:17.

    I believe the Triunity of God is Eternal. No part of the Trinity had a beginning, nor will any part of the Trinity have an end.

    I don't. Joshua was the son of Nun. Jehushua is the Son of none. :)
     
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    More blasphemy! Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
     
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    (personal attack edited in advance to save you some time)


    Quit wasting space on this forum.

    Discuss the Scripture and the point being made.


    God bless.
     
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    Contradict yourself much?


    God bless.
     
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    Would you care to show me where we find Jehoshua the Son of God in the Old Testament?

    And I don't mean prophetic references, I mean God manifest as a man being called Jehoshua.


    Genesis 18
    King James Version (KJV)

    18 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;



    God bless.
     
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    I thought that was what you were trying to say.

    What twaddle. In fact, that earns an "Ineffable twaddle!"

    How exactly did you arrive at this conclusion? Face in a hat? Siezures?



    Address the Scripture and the points.


    God bless.
     
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    What is heresy is this...

    Yeshia1 has Scripture to support his statement...you do not.

    More mythology, though no-one but you is preaching this, so we cannot catalog this particular error as popular pulpit theology.

    Here is some more Scripture to ignore:


    Galatians 4
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

    2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

    3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

    4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.



    There is nothing in Scripture that teaches that God sent forth His Son again, either in the past or retroactively.


    John 1:11-14; 18
    King James Version (KJV)

    11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

    12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

    13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



    18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.



    God bless.
     
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    God bless.
     
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    God bless.
     
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