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Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ?

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TCassidy

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There are 3 separate and Distinct Persons within Godhead, correct?
No! They are distinct but not separate. That is what "Trinity" means. Three in ONE. You can't take a meat cleaver to the Triunity of the Godhead!
 

1689Dave

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Exactly it is the exact same thing
I believe all who are baptised as believers by immersion are baptized. But there is Power in the Name of Jesus Christ that is missing in most cases.

Satan hates that name and has talked many out of using it.
 

Darrell C

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Not at all. But I think we've got it wrong thanks to the Catholics. And they also weighted us down with a lot more baggage if we start comparing our worship to theirs.

As I said in my initial post, when we are water baptized it is in identification with the Lord, and as a Trinitarian, I do not separate God into three Gods, but view Him as eternally One God. And since it is the Baptism with the Holy Ghost by which men are immersed into God, and through which they receive eternal life (because they are now in He Who is Eternal and He in them), I don't view water baptism above that which is presented in Scripture. It is a public profession of identification with Christ (which is usually made clear when people are baptized in water) which like the repentance of John's baptism professes that salvation (like the repentance) has already taken place.

So I see both as acceptable. I would also add that we have the revelation of the New Testament as a completed Canon, where they did not. We have the luxury of sitting around and taking our time to study the Word of God whereas they did not.

The Catholic Church did not, in my view, create an error with baptizing in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, just as they are not in error to teach something else in Scripture no-one ever mentioned specifically by name: the Trinity.

So in my view I think we should address the errors of the Catholic Church (which are many,unfortunately), but keep in mind that it is God, The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost that saves men, and that they do not do that independently of Each Other. It is quite reasonable, in my view, to see both ways practiced, because both ways are specifically stated.

I am glad there isn't another, or more ways mentioned, lol, because two groups at each other is quite enough.

And that is about all the time I have for today, so for you I would invite you to get involved in some other discussions as well, perhaps starting some other threads. Always glad to see a new face, lol, and always hopeful for good discussion about the Word of God.

Here's a question to stir up discussion: how would you define the Baptism with the Holy Ghost?

Hope you and everyone here has a blessed day in the Lord.


God bless.
 

Darrell C

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Yes, but all of God is YAHWEH = Jesus Christ in bodily form.

Just one more, lol.

This statement seems to indicate a belief that when God took on the flesh of man that He did so in entirety (which creates the concept of the Throne of God being vacant during the Incarnation).

Is that what you are saying? If so, or, if not, could you explain what you mean by this statement in a little more detail, and I will take a look when I return.


God bless.
 

Yeshua1

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Just one more, lol.

This statement seems to indicate a belief that when God took on the flesh of man that He did so in entirety (which creates the concept of the Throne of God being vacant during the Incarnation).

Is that what you are saying? If so, or, if not, could you explain what you mean by this statement in a little more detail, and I will take a look when I return.


God bless.
Not all of God was manifested in Jesus, as there were still the Father and Spirit operating even during the time he was here on earth!
 

TCassidy

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The part where you impose into Joshua something that took place at the beginning of the First Century.
I did no such thing. The NAME of Jesus in the OT Hebrew was "Jehoshua" meaning "Jehovah is Salvation." There was no single human at that time walking the earth who personified that Name, just as there is no single human at this time walking the earth who personifies the Name of Jesus.

This is the exact opposite of what I pointed out.
Explain how? Jesus is the NAME of the Messiah/Savior. "Jehoshua" is that NAME in Hebrew. That is a construct of "Jehovah is Salvation." If that is not a Name but merely a name, doesn't that deny the deity of Christ the Messiah?

The Name of Jesus was not known to men until the beginning of the First Century.
The Name of Jesus, in Hebrew "Jehoshua" was known in the OT and was preached by every OT prophet.

While men knew a number of "Joshuas," it is really quite easy to distinguish between them.
I, living on the Mexican border, know several men named "Jesus" but none of them can be mistaken for God the Son. Just as there may have been several persons in the OT named "Joshua" none of them could be mistaken for God the Son.

And in case you were not aware, there is a difference between Jehovah and "Jehovah saves."
Yes, I know. "Jehovah" is a made up name because the Orthodox Jews believed the Name of God, YHWH (usually transliterated as "Yahwah" or "Yahway") was too holy to speak so they took the consonants YHWH and combined them with the vowels from the other Hebrew word for "Lord" Adonai and came up with YaHoWaH or Jehovah. And "Jehovah Saves" is the meaning of "Jehoshua."

So tell me, did the Son of God remain in a physical body from Genesis 18 until the Incarnation?
As there is no time, sequence, or duration in Heaven, the physical body of God the Son exists in the Eternal Now.

Or that form set on a shelf until needed?
No, being enthroned at the Right Hand of the Majesty of High is hardly being on the shelf.

Got that backwards, don't you?
Nope. Got is just right.

From eternity to the plains of Mamre to eternity again, and from eternity to the womb of Mary, to the Cross, and then to Eternity again.
Jesus ascended, in His physical body, into Eternity. Then, from Eternity (where every time on the time scale is "NOW") he went to talk to Abraham, then went back to Eternity. He can do that. It is not too hard for Him. There is nothing too hard for God. Jer 32:17.

I did not know you believed God has always been a man.
I believe the Triunity of God is Eternal. No part of the Trinity had a beginning, nor will any part of the Trinity have an end.

So while you might equate Joshua to Jesus, I do not, and the Scriptures do not.
I don't. Joshua was the son of Nun. Jehushua is the Son of none. :)
 

Darrell C

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I did no such thing. The NAME of Jesus in the OT Hebrew was "Jehoshua" meaning "Jehovah is Salvation." There was no single human at that time walking the earth who personified that Name, just as there is no single human at this time walking the earth who personifies the Name of Jesus.

Explain how? Jesus is the NAME of the Messiah/Savior. "Jehoshua" is that NAME in Hebrew. That is a construct of "Jehovah is Salvation." If that is not a Name but merely a name, doesn't that deny the deity of Christ the Messiah?

The Name of Jesus, in Hebrew "Jehoshua" was known in the OT and was preached by every OT prophet.

I, living on the Mexican border, know several men named "Jesus" but none of them can be mistaken for God the Son. Just as there may have been several persons in the OT named "Joshua" none of them could be mistaken for God the Son.

Yes, I know. "Jehovah" is a made up name because the Orthodox Jews believed the Name of God, YHWH (usually transliterated as "Yahwah" or "Yahway") was too holy to speak so they took the consonants YHWH and combined them with the vowels from the other Hebrew word for "Lord" Adonai and came up with YaHoWaH or Jehovah. And "Jehovah Saves" is the meaning of "Jehoshua."

As there is no time, sequence, or duration in Heaven, the physical body of God the Son exists in the Eternal Now.

No, being enthroned at the Right Hand of the Majesty of High is hardly being on the shelf.

Nope. Got is just right.

Jesus ascended, in His physical body, into Eternity. Then, from Eternity (where every time on the time scale is "NOW") he went to talk to Abraham, then went back to Eternity. He can do that. It is not too hard for Him. There is nothing too hard for God. Jer 32:17.

I believe the Triunity of God is Eternal. No part of the Trinity had a beginning, nor will any part of the Trinity have an end.

I don't. Joshua was the son of Nun. Jehushua is the Son of none. :)

(personal attack edited in advance to save you some time)


If you want to truly discuss this issue, then you will address the Scripture and the points presented to you, starting with this:


Hebrews 4:8
King James Version (KJV)

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.



Is the name of Jesus in this verse or the Name of Jesus.

Answer.

Quit wasting space on this forum.

Discuss the Scripture and the point being made.


God bless.
 

Darrell C

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When God manifested in physical form unto Abraham in Genesis 18...it was not the form created in Mary's womb that the Eternal Son of God took up residence in.

Of course it was. Jesus went from earth into Eternity at the Ascension then from Eternity to earth in the days of Abraham. Just how many physical bodies do you think Jesus had?


I believe the Triunity of God is Eternal. No part of the Trinity had a beginning, nor will any part of the Trinity have an end.

Contradict yourself much?


God bless.
 

Darrell C

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Jesus was not His pre Incarnate name
Yes, it was. Hebrew Jehoshua = Greek Jesus.

Would you care to show me where we find Jehoshua the Son of God in the Old Testament?

And I don't mean prophetic references, I mean God manifest as a man being called Jehoshua.


Genesis 18
King James Version (KJV)

18 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;



God bless.
 
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Darrell C

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Jesus ascended, in His physical body, into Eternity. Then, from Eternity (where every time on the time scale is "NOW") he went to talk to Abraham, then went back to Eternity. He can do that. It is not too hard for Him. There is nothing too hard for God. Jer 32:17.

I thought that was what you were trying to say.

What twaddle. In fact, that earns an "Ineffable twaddle!"

How exactly did you arrive at this conclusion? Face in a hat? Siezures?


Got that backwards, don't you?

From eternity to the plains of Mamre to eternity again, and from eternity to the womb of Mary, to the Cross, and then to Eternity again.


Hebrews 10
King James Version (KJV)


5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.



The Writer also uses katartizō here...


Hebrews 11
King James Version (KJV)

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.



But really, after you address these passages, I would love to see the Scripture by which you support that the Body Jesus Christ died in has always existed.

I did not know you believed God has always been a man.

The Bible I study from teaches...


Philippians 2:5-7
King James Version (KJV)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:


Address the Scripture and the points.


God bless.
 

Darrell C

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Jesus did not exist before His incarnation, as God the Son Himself assumed on human flesh, and then became Jesus of Nazareth. he was not called Jesus when here as the Angel of the Lord for example.
Wow. That is a vile heresy. The Eternality of the Son is a foundational doctrine of the Christian faith!

What is heresy is this...

Jesus ascended, in His physical body, into Eternity. Then, from Eternity (where every time on the time scale is "NOW") he went to talk to Abraham, then went back to Eternity. He can do that. It is not too hard for Him. There is nothing too hard for God. Jer 32:17.

Yeshia1 has Scripture to support his statement...you do not.

More mythology, though no-one but you is preaching this, so we cannot catalog this particular error as popular pulpit theology.

Here is some more Scripture to ignore:


Galatians 4
King James Version (KJV)

1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.



There is nothing in Scripture that teaches that God sent forth His Son again, either in the past or retroactively.


John 1:11-14; 18
King James Version (KJV)

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.



God bless.
 
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