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Salvation by any other name.....

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by loDebar, Apr 19, 2018.

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  1. TCassidy

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    Why would anyone want to teach false doctrine?
     
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    Only Jesus? In English. They can't believe in Ἰησοῦς as the NT saints did? In Greek. They can't believe in Jehoshua as the OT saints did. In Hebrew.

    They have to believe in Jesus in English? Why? Doesn't God understand Hebrew? Doesn't God understand Greek? Do you deny God inspired the bible in Hebrew and Greek? How could He do so if He doesn't understand those languages?

    The bible says that all the OT prophets preached Jesus (Jehoshua in Hebrew). Do you believe the bible lies about that?
     
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    Yes, faith comes by the hearing of the preaching of the word of God which is the vehicle, the preaching of the word, that God uses to draw the lost unto Christ, regenerate them, and give them faith to believe, and enables them to repent and obey.

    See, I knew if we both tried real hard we could find something to disagree about! :D:D
     
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    Exactly! God provides salvation. (to His glory) the only access to God is through Jesus (in Greek Ἰησοῦς or in Hebrew Jehoshua) and the only way to Jesus (in Greek Ἰησοῦς or in Hebrew Jehoshua) is the Holy Spirit.

    Glad to see you now believe the OT saints were saved the same way we are!
     
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    Jesus had to show disciples all scripture pertaining to him so your statement might be true but they did not know Him.
     
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    no , not the sinners but the righteous, If you say there is no "second chance ", they had not had a first to learn of Jesus. They are either not in Heaven or God provided a different way of salvation. Which are both wrong
     
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    By accepting Jesus as Savior, no other way
     
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    God saved them in the old Covenant on the same basis and way that we were saved....
     
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    There were many that claimed to be Messiah, what if they believed on them?

    We agree believing on the Messiah to come is counted for righteousness but it is not complete for salvation. Jesus provided completion
     
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    God revealed to David that one of his coming descendants would be the Messiah, the King, and would have an everlasting Kingdom, but was he told his name?
     
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    no, I do not think so. I need the verse.

    Belief in Jesus is necessary
     
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    That wasn't the question. Who was/is the Messiah?

    What part of "from the foundation of the world" are you having trouble with?
     
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    Exactly. Just as the OT saints accepted Jehoshua the Savior, and the NT saints accepted Iēsous the Savior, and we English speakers accept Jesus the Savior.
     
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    So you do deny that Acts 10:43 is scripture and believe it is a lie?
     
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    no trouble, you are misreading as shown earlier
     
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    The OT was provided over a thousand of years, You do not understand every reference, so how can they understand when all had not been written?
    Job as an example, did he have the OT?
     
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    The language is not important, They did not know the person of Jesus Christ...until after the Crucifixion ..
     
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    It is simple, If one believes that God has favorites and has a way to eternal life except by knowing Jesus Christ, believe as is posted here.


    If one believes that all must know Jesus , personally, then accept God has provided the righteous of the OT to know Jesus , after their death.

    The Spiritual is more important than the physical.
     
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    It is simple. If one believes that God has favorites and has a way to eternal life except by knowing Jehoshua Messiah, believe as is posted here.
     
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    Why do you have such contempt for the word of God?

    Acts 10:43 To him (Heb: Jehoshua Meshiac - Greek: Ἰησοῦς Χριστός - English: Jesus Christ) give all the prophets witness, that through his name (Heb: Jehoshua Meshiac - Greek: Ἰησοῦς Χριστός - English: Jesus Christ) whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
     
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