Israel?

I do Follow Christ--He is The Obedient Servant. I'm just making a statement of consideration.

 

I think that I keep my forks in the shed, too.

 

God lied to ole Abe, didn't he?

 

I missed that. Where? Does Genesis 17 carry some special significance for some reason? What's your point in bringing it up?

 

Stop acting like such a jerk. You really need to review Galatians 3:

16 Now to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
29 And if ye are Christ`s, then are ye Abraham`s seed, heirs according to promise. Gal 3

 

Really? The guy hasn't insinuated that at all, you're just acting like a jerk, and, you probably worship the golden calf 'physical' Israel like so many do and it upsets you to know that the scriptures expressly warns you NOT to worship 'physical' Israel.

 

Genesis 17:7 (KJV) And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

 

I do not agree with you on this point of theology, but you have known that for a long time. Other than this one issue, I agree with you most of the time. I say that Scripture should be taken literally whenever possible. The answer in Genesis has a perfectly clear literal meaning. If God did not mean what He said literally, then God lied to ole Abe, who was a sucker. huh?

 

Brother, I'm all about seeing how it pans out for Israel as a sovereign nation, But @kyredneck is right that Genesis 17:7 is fulfilled IN Christ--Christ is the Seed to whom God fulfills His Covenant.

In Other words...

Genesis 17:7 finds its fulfillment in Christ--Galatians 3:16; 29

 

The first rule of hermeneutics is to interpret the Scripture literally wherever possible. Seed in Genesis 17 means children, and as we learn it means the children of Abraham and Sarah, which is Isaac. Isaac, as you know was the father of Jacob, and DNA will easily show that Jacob has many descendants alive today, who are called Jews, some of whom live in the country of Israel.

Now what rule of hermeneutics are you following?

 

7 neither, because they are Abraham`s seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed. Ro 9

....and you insist, still, that it's about 'DNA'. Wow. Are you Jewish?

When the Holy Spirit defines it in no uncertain terms, as in the above.

 

The promise to Abraham was unconditional. It is found in Genesis 12 and 15. The ceremony gives clear indication of the unconditional nature of God's promise to Abraham.

 

The Rule "Let Scripture Interpret Scripture".

 

Both given before the 'ceremony' of circumcision was instituted. Romans 4:9-10

 

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Brother Glen

 

So you would rule out DNA also to determine who owns Israel?

 

No it wasn't and you have no shown by scripture nor reason it is. It is a ridiculous claim.