Jerry Walls wicked and profane question about God

to be Fair--he said John Wesley addressed "calvinism" as a theology. I do not think it is fair to call him a goofball.

 

Adam, whilst in the Garden, represented all his posterity as their Federal Head. Adam and Eve were the only humans ever to be sinless. Even while she was sinless, she showed she loved herself more than she did her God. When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.[Genesis 3:6,7] Eve fell for the Serpent's lie and saw that the ToK could make her wise. She placed herself before Her God, even BEFORE she ate of that tree. Until this day, ppl, in their fallen state, place themselves ahead of their God.

Mankind fell into sin from that point in time. Man's heart, in its fallen condition, does not love God, but sin. It was not because of God, but because Adam sinned, and we being in Adam, sinned as well.

 

Well, anyone who says we could attain sinless perfection is a goofball. If I averred it, I'd be a goofball.

 

I guess I'll just derail this thread some more lol...I believe Wesley's followers went a bit far with what he hypothesized. If I remember correctly (and some times I do not ) he was not 100% convinced of sinless-perfection in this life, but considered it a potential reality. This is similar to Calvin's followers--they took what he said and made a 5-point theology out of some things he commented on.

 

You're mistaken. I don't allude to God being part of it. Calvinism does.

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I don’t know, you tell me!

Does God... take a human being, entombed them in inability, punish them on this earth, then send them to hell?

 

Doesn't compare to the insult Calvinist say all the time. Calvinist are SHOCKED and SURPRISED God would save anyone.

The insult is Calvinist expect God to forgive no one.

Its just so shocking! God is halfways merciful when one expected God to be merciless.


Can't think of a better way to call God a Jerk then how Calvinist do it.

 

Calvin was not a 5 point Calvinist.

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Thank God

 

Wrong again

 

Right... he was a reformed catholic. So what?

 

No

not in this world no.... thank Him for his charitable grace and mercy.

 

Wrong, sport. Off to ignoreville for you, too.

#BuhBye!!!

 

Not one deserving person goes to heaven. What makes you think someone, even babies and those who are incapable of anything, gets a pass?

I don't think they go to hell, but I don't see they get an automatic pass into heaven, either. I just leave these in God's hand, where it rightly belongs.

 

I see.... a purgatory supporter

 

Matthew 9:13

 

Whoa ho ho!! Where did you get this lie from?

 

So, baby are not born sinners?

 

Well, when God told Samuel to tell Saul Then Samuel said to Saul, “The LORD sent me to anoint you as king over His people, over Israel; now therefore, listen to the words of the LORD. Thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the way while he was coming up from Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”[1 Samuel 15:1-3] God saw all the Amalekites as the enemies of His ppl, even children and infants.

If a baby, upon death, is automatically ushered into heaven, then allowing that child to grow to die lost is utterly cruel. I am not saying they go to hell, but I am not ready to usher them automatically into heaven, either. That is betwixt them and the Lord.

 

What about those who died never hearing the gospel?