How Wicked Were the People of Noah's Day? And Why No Detail?

I did share proof you just do not like what was shared. And you have nothing as to proof in rebuttals against Enoch's writings "MY FRIEND". I backed with scripture and verses from Enoch. What have you presented to dismantle? NOTHING, except your opinion by quoting me and bringing NO facts against me.

As I said everything you say is just personal opinion. You do not have to believe aliens are demons. You do not have to believe giants walked the earth, nor do you have to believe angels went in unto woman. It is your OP, you were the one curious about it all. Maybe you should have done more study concerning your OP. I did not tell you to hang your faith on prophecy you inquired about what went on in the OT and the how the Book of Enoch is relevant, then when someone shares what was stated in a book which predates all other scripture you say it is irrelevant ,yet it speaks of the very things you were inquiring about, HELLO!
Maybe you were disingenuous concerning your motives, it sounds to me you just wanted to attack a person and a whole denomination with unfounded opinions. Scripture has been presented which does support these writings to a degree.-in that, with what is presented has been supported by scripture, you NOTHING. So, at the present time the scales are tipped heavily in my favor and defense of the book of Enoch. Think what you want -as to comparing a new name 'Extraterrestrial" to Watchers old school. That too is just your opinion , if you believe in aliens or not- your view. The fact is there are fallen angels and they are deceptive and they can reinvent themselves before man, to convince man they are something else to remain relevant .
The bottom line is I present two sides of an argument , you have not, nor have you with scripture given any concrete proof against the writings of Enoch. With that said go back and read what was posted, my rebuttals against you and others are there.
Do not know what you are ranting about, remember you asked!

 

Another thing I do not use the Talmud, the Talmud contains information which Jews have picked and chosen from scripture what they wanted and mix it with esoteric practices and only Rabbinical traditions. As for pansexual, and going in unto animals , if a book which predated all the scriptures OT and NT speaks of the very things which go on today THAT YOU ARE INQUIRING ABOUT is it fair to say there must be some relevance to the work ? I don't know, maybe reason and deduction? Now, if you are going to say this does not go on today, what is your question then? Unless someone lives in a bubble we know it goes on because elites tout it. Do they engineer DNA today? Does Enoch say they did then,? YES and this BEFORE ANY TALMUD WAS FORMED OR ANY OTHER SCRIPTURE WRITTEN. Again, scales tipped heavily in my favor simply by commonsense. There is nothing new under the sun. But that which already HAPPENED we only know because of Enoch no one else!

You loose because your own questions prove the truth of Enoch who spoke it before you or anyone.
Preceding Generations Forgotten Ecclesiastes 1:8-10
…8All things are wearisome; Man is not able to tell it. The eye is not satisfied with seeing, Nor is the ear filled with hearing. 9That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun. 10Is there anything of which one might say, "See this, it is new "? Already it has existed for ages Which were before us.…

Whether one agrees with me fully or not, the argument is won by me because you can not question the fact that all- has already been done and Enoch is the one who bore witness to it. God Bless!

 

You are doubled minded and contradict yourself not me . Proof =FACTS which support CLAIMS. Did that (CHECK MATE)

As for you presenting logic, logic is supported by FACTS= Proof of claims, you 0 me 1, SCALES TIPPING IN MY FAVOR!

While in the same breath saying so-called:
Matthew 5:37
37 But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.

Either they are or they are not otherwise you just believe they are aliens and you too believe a false doctrine as does the Pope.

Your answer as to believing giants walked the earth or not. I hope you do believe- otherwise you defy scripture and archeology discovery.
Genesis 6:4

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the ...

David Slays Goliath 1Samuel 17:48-50
…48Then it happened when the Philistine rose and came and drew near to meet David, that David ran quickly toward the battle line to meet the Philistine. 49And David put his hand into his bag and took from it a stone and slung it, and struck the Philistine on his forehead. And the stone sank into his forehead, so that he fell on his face to the ground. 50Thus David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone, and he struck the Philistine and killed him; but there was no sword in David's hand.…

Everyone knows Goliath was a giant Christianity for little tykes 101.
The Reports of the Spies Numbers 13:32-33
…32So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, "The land through which we have gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. 33"There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight."

HMMM? And before all of this Enoch spoke about them . OfLivingWaters 3 , ILove An Atheist 0 you probably should put your eggs all in God's basket instead of an atheist's.

Again double minded, or at least bi-polar like in thought. You ask about modern practice and their correlation to the Talmud, then say you did not know there was anything to study. But now you know, yet i have said nothing new to you????? WHAT!?????

ME 4, YOU 0. This is fun I am going to NOT spare your arrogant feelings and keep going!

As for others believing in the giants of scripture to secure my beliefs, they need only be secure with God who my beliefs are in.
Not one thing I have said contradicts the Word but you have!
Waters:5 , Atheist :0

The Ethiopian Orthodox and NOT WHICH has been absorbed into Catholicism (Tewahedo) and many Jewish Christians,
and Christians of various denominations.
And this with NO PROOF of your claims!

ME 6- YOU 0. Need I go on? No, but I will because the Lord hates arrogance and I love all His prophecy and Words for it is to let His children KNOW about Him. Prophecy is important, because it WARNS, it is an Alarm for the times, it guides and can also prevent undesirable outcomes , like we unfortunately see today because they are not heeded. So, to your claim you do not hang your faith on prophecy because it is not necessary , though that was not what my argument was about, it is obvious that Prophecy is necessary for the salvation of some . Hence, the two Witnesses of Rev.

ME 7, You 0!

Proof you are arrogant and self righteous and disingenuous concerning your OP , you were Not looking for sincere dialogue but to provoke. I am not yelling learn the difference, (not that you could tell unless you can hear through a computer) between that and zeal.

No not one contradiction learn the meaning of words to say Lucifer is the only covering Cherub and that for angels to be talking to Enoch is putting them above the Only mediator between God and man is a lie! PERIOD! That would be to ignore all purposed scripture which addresses (including St. Paul's works) angels are ministering spirits.

That is what is ASSIDUOUSLY avoids the Enoch's replies, and God's concerning His ministering angels. Now I have to defend another of God's works. And you still have not disproved anything concerning Enoch nor has anyone else. The only thing you have proved is your arrogance.

 

answered continued:
OfLivingWaters said:
Duh! That is what we are to bring proof to( Our opinions and views) Extraordinary claims of what? That what
is- is what was- and your OP questions are addressed by not only scripture but also Enoch's writings which state
it before all? Hello! did you not say you already knew what I said anyway ?

 

Thanks for your kind words. I am elderly so I like short articles and videos more than books nowadays but I do have a few books.

Young Earth Creationists (YECs) are very persuasive because there is no other logical alternative than that the world is 6,000 years old and was created in six days and altered greatly by the Genesis Flood of Noah 4300 years ago, followed by an Ice Age of 700 years duration that covered thirty percent of the globe. Alaska figures mightily in the Ice Age because only the upper altitudes were covered with ice and the lower sea levels had to have affected human and animal migration, huh? Also, Alaska had a lot of Woolly Mammoths, a puzzle for evolutionists but not for creationists! The Mammoth and the Ice Age

Here are some YEC sources that answer about anything:

The Institute for Creation Research, one of the original scientific sources: http://www.icr.org/homepage/

Creation Ministries International, their excellent tv shows are mostly on YouTube: https://creation.com/

Answers in Genesis, the home site of Ken Ham and the Creation Museum and Ark Encounter in Kentucky. Under media, on the AiG site there are many free videos. Answers in Genesis

Creation Today, the website of Eric Hovind who has produced one Genesis Movie for theaters and is working on a sequel: Creation Today | Impacting Our World with the Creation Message

Blessings. cmg

 

The so-called book of Enoch is a gnostic document, not a Christian document. Gnosticism is a cult that attacked both Jews and Christians. In this case, Gnosticism is attacking Genesis and Noah. Gnosticism died out centuries ago but has had a small handful here and there since. To me, it seems like an oriental knockoff of Hindu and Bhuddist thinking. Gnostics claim that they have secret knowledge that no one else has. They are cousins of the occult. Catholicism labels them a fungus because they are only found where there is Christianity or Judaism. Islam never tolerated them and the Orient never considered them.

As descendants of Noah, Gnostics hardly can logically say that they know better than Noah about the Genesis Flood. God told Noah that the earth was filled with violence. God also said that it was corrupt.
The Gnostics themselves made up their own books for their own religion. Of course, they are not going to agree with Scripture because they openly hate Jews and Christian's.

 

When the earth's plates began to move at high speeds at the end of the Genesis worldwide flood, Alaska must have been in a big collision to have such high mountains pushed up. And then the lowlands were not glaciated so that people and animals clearly crossed from Asia. What an interesting geology!

 

Hello "OfLivingWaters".

Would you mind reading through a thread I participated in a while ago on this subject, and let me know what you think, in specifics?

Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

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Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

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Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

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Post [a bit altered do to board changes] - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'

Post - Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'​

 

There is so much nonsense [from non-Seventh-day Adventist] in those two disinformation centers, it's easier to stick to the facts.

I am an officially recognized member of the Seventh-day Adventist movement, and have been for about 10 years now, and have ministered [not a Pastoral position, but preaching, teaching, etc] in the movements body and also in the world-recognized media-ministry therein. Here then are the facts on sister White and "Enoch".

Fact:

[1] sister White wrote about "Enoch".

In doing a simple search for the name of "Enoch" in the online database from the official Ellen G. White estate archives, we find that the name of "Enoch" comes up exactly "903" hits - Ellen G. White Writings

Many of those "903 hits" are duplicates, being requoted in compilations of statements after sister White died, for instance see, "there I saw good old Enoch" - Ellen G. White Writings

Many of those "903 hits" are duplicates of when sister White was alive, reconstituting an older statement into another book or later work, such as Prophets and Kings.

Many of those "903 hits", the name of "Enoch" appears in a list of other patriarchs, in a general description of the plan of redemption in the shadows -

"The Lord has made known to Adam, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, and the ancient worthies, especially Moses, that the ceremonial system of sacrifices and the priesthood, of themselves, were not sufficient to secure the salvation of one soul." - The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 2, Page 10 -- Ellen G. White Writings
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At least "17 hits" [others may reference, but I only chose to refer only to the obvious] of those "903 hits" are not about the Bible "Enoch" at all, but in reference to another brother, named "Enoch Jacobs" - Ellen G. White Writings

In comparison to others:

"Jesus" - "64787 hits" - Ellen G. White Writings

"Paul" - "7733 hits" - Ellen G. White Writings

"Moses" - "7083 hits" - Ellen G. White Writings

"Adam" - "3674 hits" - Ellen G. White Writings

"Adam" [KJB, specific] - 31 times. Thus compare the percentages in KJB to EGW.
"Enoch" [KJB, specific] - 12 times. 31/12 = 2.583--; 3674/903 = 4.0686
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"Abraham" - "2269 hits" - Ellen G. White Writings

"Noah" - "1306 hits" - Ellen G. White Writings
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[2] sister White, did see in single vision, the translated and glorified "Enoch" on another world with "seven moons" ["12 hits", most of which are duplicates of the original singular vision] and asked Enoch in that vision a single question - Ellen G. White Writings

"... The Lord has given me a view of other worlds. Wings were given me, and an angel attended me from the City to a place that was bright and glorious. The grass of the place was living green, and the birds there warbled a sweet song. The inhabitants of the place were of all sizes, they were noble, majestic and lovely. They bore the express image of Jesus, and their countenances beamed with holy joy, expressive of the freedom and happiness of the place. I asked one of them why they were so much more lovely than those on the earth. The reply was—“we have lived in strict obedience to the commandments of God and have not fallen by disobedience, like those on the earth. There I saw two trees, one looked much like the tree of life in the City. The fruit of both looked beautiful; but of one they could not eat. They had power to eat of both, but were forbidden to eat of one. Then my attending angel said to me—“none in this place have tasted of the forbidden tree; but if they should eat they would fall.” Then I was taken to a world which had seven moons. Then I saw good old Enoch, who had been translated. On his right arm he bore a glorious palm, and on each leaf was written Victory. Around his head was a dazzling white wreath, and leaves on the wreath, and in the middle of each leaf was written Purity; and around the leaf were stones of various colors, that shone brighter than the stars, and cast a reflection upon the letters, and magnified them. On the back part of his head was a bow that confined the wreath, and upon the bow was written Holiness. Above the wreath was a lovely crown that shone brighter than the sun. I asked him if this was the place he was taken to from the earth. He said “it is not; but the City is my home, and I have come to visit this place.” He moved about the place as if perfectly at home. I begged of my attending angel to let me remain in that place. I could not bear the thought of coming back to this dark world again. Then the angel said—“you must go back, and if you are faithful, you, with the 144,000 shall have the privilege of visiting all the worlds and viewing the handy work of God.” PT August 1, 1849, par. 18 ..." - The Present Truth August 1, 1849 paragraph 18
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[3] sister White does not teach, in any location, the nonsense of angel-human hybrids. Read Patriarchs and Prophets, the Truth about Angels, Early Writings, and The Story of Redemption. - Patriarchs and Prophets, Page 90 -- Ellen G. White Writings​

[4] the Bible [KJB] and sister White point out the important and significant [not "all important"] translation of Enoch. He is a type for the end times peoples, and the type for the Christian who walks daily with God. Similar instruction is given in regards, Moses, Elijah and the firstfruits resurrected at Jesus' own resurrection, in regards the translation and resurrections to come.

[5] according to the Bible [KJB] and sister White, Enoch was indeed a "Seventh-day Adventist", but so were Adam, Abel, Seth, Methuselah, Noah, Job, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel, Moses, David, Solomon, Daniel [and the prophets], John the Baptist, Jesus, the Apostles and early disciples according to the same, The name Seventh-day Adventist speaks from Creation to Consumation, Alpha to Omega, beginning to ending, first to last, from Author to Finisher, etc, etc.

[6] neither the Bible [KJB] or sister White mention the "Book of Enoch" [1, 2 or 3] [period]​

[7] Jude [KJB] does not cite the "Book of Enoch" [1, 2 or 3] [for those who think it is possible that was the source] from any section/chapter of the "Book of Enoch" [1, 2 or 3] that reference the angel-human hybrids.​

 

As for the OP topic itself. There is plenty of details, when one reads the Bible prayerfully and studying line upon line, precept upon precept and the Holy Ghost connects in the mind those scriptures, and when understand typology, combined with prophecy, natural to spiritual, etc, etc.

For instance [a piece of a much larger study]:

"... The day of God's calling to repentance is still open, and He is calling all to come back to Living Creator, the LORD of the Sabbath, for many have been ignorant of His righteousness [Psalms 119:142,151,172 KJB], and go about attempting to establish their own righteousness, their own way [Romans 10:3 KJB]:

Acts 17:30 KJB - And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
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As it was in the days of Noah, people are buying and selling upon God's holy Day, and they plant and build upon His holy Day, and yet, God still has a door of mercy open to all who will hearken unto the Holy Spirit, but to those who blaspheme the Holy Ghost, calling it the work of the devil, are grieving away their only and last chances to enter into the ARK of God:

Revelation 11:19 KJB - And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
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In the middle of that ARK, is God's Law of Light, and in the middle of the Law is His Rest ... O sinner, o backslidden peoples, will you not enter into His "rest", His seventh day the Sabbath, before the door of probation closes? It is soon, so very soon, and then the "drops" of God's wrath will fall, and turn into cataracts of sorrow and woe, without mercy ... unmingle wrath, for God will sware again, "They [who have turned away from my final pleadings] will not ever enter into my rest" ...

O let us humble ourselves before the great and awesome Creator and Redeeming God before it is too late, everlastingly too late. There is still time. Even if the heart is hard in unbelief, Jesus can heal it, He can forgive it, Jesus can cleanse it, Jesus can show you more as needed, but we must all take the first step toward Him!, but He cannot forgive, nor heal, the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost ..." - Hebrews 3-4 [KJB], the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD JEHOVAH - "my rest" "remaineth" to My people.
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Also when one makes the connections as Jesus tells us to make with days of Noe and Lot, we can see more, for when a certain unnatural sin attempted to force its way into the quarters of the church [Lot's house in the city, see also Judges 19], God said, "Enough". The "Door" of probation was shut by the angels [see Revelation 14:6-12 KJB].

Also see that Day 6, "marriage" is attacked first, and then Day 7, the "Sabbath of the LORD" comes next, first state to state, to national, to international ...

The twin institutions of Eden, at-one-ment of man [Adam to Eve] and the 7th Day, at-one-ment with God, and the first anti-twin is born ... it is not much longer for the following anti-twin [in several stages].

I also have much material [I am putting together] on the word "imaginations" in Genesis 6 and 11, since history is being repeated, and the video game/movie/entertainment world, along with AI, Robotics, Weapons, holograms, lasers, even the angels of Lie-ght ... who are already ensnaring the world for the final and greatest deception...

See [very dangerous, see especially Time Index 0:24, "and imagination has no limits" = Genesis 11:6 KJB - And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.]:



Rapture vest and helmet, for satan is taking away the mind/heart by force, using the elements of the dragon to fight the dragon, How can satan cast out satan? endless war, fighting against the God of Heaven, sorcery, spiritualism, 'alien-lie', a counterfit of the Mother-city above us all [New Jerusalem] ...

Void: Desolate temples - without form and void, Unformed and Unfilled, Incomplete and Unfulfilled ...