Gentiles and Jews are the stay in Christ, do NOT change natrionalties!You have it backwards. Gentiles become Israel when saved. Those who reject Christ whether Jews or gentiles remain under God's wrath as gentiles.
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Gentiles and Jews are the stay in Christ, do NOT change natrionalties!You have it backwards. Gentiles become Israel when saved. Those who reject Christ whether Jews or gentiles remain under God's wrath as gentiles.
From my point of view, you are saying that Christianity replaced Judaism and when that happened the promises to the Jews were voided. But Scripture is clear that in the case of the land, it belonged to the Jews until the end of the world no matter what.
Christ permanently abolished the physical nation of Israel in AD70. And made it impossible for it ever to reform when he abolished circumcision and the Law on the cross. Today's physical Israel is not biblical Israel in any sense. In fact, they exist only because they did not follow Paul, Peter and the other thousands of Israelites who accepted Jesus as Messiah. Today's Jews follow Satan by default and worship only him to this day.Gentiles and Jews are the stay in Christ, do NOT change natrionalties!
The promises remain to Israel. But the unbelieving Jews left Israel when they rejected Christ. Only biblical Israel, to whom the promises apply remains - in Christ.From my point of view, you are saying that Christianity replaced Judaism and when that happened the promises to the Jews were voided. But Scripture is clear that in the case of the land, it belonged to the Jews until the end of the world no matter what.
Gentiles and Jews are the stay in Christ, do NOT change natrionalties!
They are still as they were at birth, jews or gentiles!Yes they do. They are citizens of heaven. We are pilgrims in a foreign land. Or as the song says, This world is not my home, I just passing though
The promises remain to Israel. But the unbelieving Jews left Israel when they rejected Christ. Only biblical Israel, to whom the promises apply remains - in Christ.
“For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea. For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:19–20) (KJV 1900)
Gentiles and Jews are the stay in Christ, do NOT change natrionalties!
Yes they do. They are citizens of heaven. We are pilgrims in a foreign land. Or as the song says, This world is not my home, I just passing though
The question is, "Are you, CMG, a heretic or apostate? Did Jesus & the Apostles got it all wrong." Your thinking is carnal.
So Jesus needed have come, needn't have suffered & died. All the Old Covenant promises stand without the Messiah. Who wants a New Covenant? The Jews are happy with the OC.
Go back & read your Bible.
The old Covenant was conditional, the promises dependant on obedience.
Exo. 19:5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.” These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.’
Mat. 21:
43 ‘Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.’
45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them.
The Jewish leaders understood Jesus' warning - & rejected it & him.
BUT
The Jewish people received the Gospel in their thousands. The Holy Nation was indeed comprised of Jewish people from all around the world, from Pentecost onwards. Gentiles were added in according to God's first promise to Abram in Gen. 12. And the Jewish leaders were themselves cast out, according to Moses warning echoed by Peter in Acts 3. The Gospel spread through God's whole earth to all families on earth.
The NH&NE is now the promised land.
Jews do not become gentiles at conversion, as we do not become Jews when saved!As Peter wrote -
1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To God’s elect, exiles, scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.
2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
11 Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from sinful desires, which wage war against your soul. 12 Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.
“Now the promises were made to Abraham and his Seed. He does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your Seed,” meaning one, who is Christ.” (Galatians 3:16) (MEV)If you have defined "Biblical Israel", please define it again. The promise were given to just regular Jews, as I tried to explain above and are unrelated to Christianity.
There are both saved jews and Gentiles in Spiritual israel, correct?“Now the promises were made to Abraham and his Seed. He does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your Seed,” meaning one, who is Christ.” (Galatians 3:16) (MEV)
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:29) (MEV)
The entire New Covenant Israel was Jewish by the thousands until God began grafting in gentiles in place of the unbelievers he removed. These also forfeited the promises. If you can realize Jesus is Israel along with those connected to him by faith, it is simple. Any not connected to him by faith are not Israel.There are both saved jews and Gentiles in Spiritual israel, correct?
No jew not saved by him would be in spiritual israel, but they still are Jews in nation of Israel!The entire New Covenant Israel was Jewish by the thousands until God began grafting in gentiles in place of the unbelievers he removed. These also forfeited the promises. If you can realize Jesus is Israel along with those connected to him by faith, it is simple. Any not connected to him by faith are not Israel.
“Now the promises were made to Abraham and his Seed. He does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your Seed,” meaning one, who is Christ.” (Galatians 3:16) (MEV)
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:29) (MEV)
“Now the promises were made to Abraham and his Seed. He does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your Seed,” meaning one, who is Christ.” (Galatians 3:16) (MEV)
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:29) (MEV)
This is not true. Isaac and Jacob were Abraham's seed.
So Paul was lying and the bible is not trustworthy?
If Christ was Abraham's seed, meaning one, how can you yourself be Abraham's seed since you are saying that Isaac and Jacob were not Abraham's seed?