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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by atpollard, Jul 30, 2018.

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  1. SovereignGrace

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    Bruh, the Christ said no one can serve two masters. You must serve one or the other. So the lost are slaves(servants) of Satan.
     
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    it is translated servants 120 times, bondman 1 time

    1. a slave, bondman, man of servile condition
      1. a slave

      2. metaph., one who gives himself up to another's will those whose service is used by Christ in extending and advancing his cause among men

      3. devoted to another to the disregard of one's own interests
    2. a servant, attendant
     
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    not a quote,, just opinion.

    How can yall miss this?

    Jhn 8:34
    Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

    Are you a slave BEFORE sin, or afterward?

    your actions show your master,
     
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    John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me
     
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    John 8:36
    Freed from what? Being slaves to our sin natures!
     
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    Great! Everybody gets saved.
     
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    It’s obvious you will accept only answer(s) you want.
     
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    IS the servant of sin. Again, you will only accept the answer(s) you want.
     
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    Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
     
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    Take your pick:
    [Luk 13:16 KJV] 16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?
    [Act 8:23 KJV] 23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and [in] the bond of iniquity.
    [Rom 8:15, 21 KJV] 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. ... 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
    [Gal 4:3, 9 KJV] 3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: ... 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
    [Gal 5:1 KJV] 1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
    [Heb 2:15 KJV] 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
    [2Pe 2:19 KJV] 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
     
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    that, is free from the Law.
     
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    Of sin and death.

    It’s obvious you will only accept the answer(s) you want.
     
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    Absolutely! Completely broken, defeated, nowhere else to turn I prayed to know God and have a relationship with Him, but I did not have the faith He would answer me, why would He? I put all my pride aside and I told Him I didn’t even know how to hear Him for guidance in my life and asked for Him to speak to me. I immediately felt a strange sense of comfort and the next day I seek Him in His Word, Maybe He guided my hand to that Book someone had given me years before, and like a miracle, He answered my questions and I saw the truth and wisdom in His Words, He opened the door…

    – and I loved that truth and I came to faith! And yes! That truth which He showed me and I loved brought me to faith was a gift from God that I did not deserve and certainly did not earn! No inability here, no reasons for an excuse, and as per 1Peter 3:15, my answer to anyone that asked me a reason for the hope that is in me and my hope for them is that God is true to His Word and showed me that He heard my prayers. I tell them, in His Word when He said “ask and it will be given you, seek and you when find, knock and the door will be opened unto you” it was an absolute truth just as He promised in His Word that gives light into ALL the world. I tell them He is a God of love, he loves you, the promise is for you too, He is calling and wants you to come to Him, and He will answer your sincere prayers also and when you see that you will have faith, you will believe with all your heart and nothing will be able to take you out of His Hand. All the glory goes to God.

    You’d do better to wonder about yourself and where your doctrines of the creature’s inability to love the truth and come to faith which you think of an excuse not freely come to Him may lead you.

    Do you see how faith can be a gift to volitional creatures? Do you see how all the glory for this faith still goes to Him? Do you see how true loving faith doesn't have to be forced? Do you?

    Full circle back to my claim of your lack of transparency and my challenge to you to tell the truth, ...spit it out man! Don't hide behind telling your gospel to people about a promise to those that believe, give them the rest of the story... BUT He doesn't love everybody, you have to be pre-selected, and no amount of reasoning from Him or His Word will change your mind so that you will believe, He has to ZAP that faith into you, good luck on being one of the few chosen.

    I said it was a genuine offer of Good News to all, never implied it was an offer of unconditional salvation for a select few as you, nor did I say it was a promise of salvation, don’t put words (strawmen) into my mouth, but what I did say is it was a conditional promise built upon God’s influences from faith to faith to which God will truly judge. Perhaps you should take off the blinders and pay closer attention to what I actually said and backed up with scripture that which you avoided when I started with: “The Bible clearly shows that faith is antithetical to works:”
     
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    bondage to sin? or bondage under the Law?
    Why is not the word "sin" used in these verses?

    hamartēma sin, is not used in these verses ?

    why cant we find a verse that says "bondage to sin" IDK
     
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    AND from having to obey the dictates of our sin natures!
     
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    Jhn 8:34
    Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

    This is all i can find that even uses the two words in the same sentence?
     
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    your body does not sin ,but suffers from sin

    1Co 6:18

    Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
     
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    My sin nature compells me to sin.... thank god, the Holy Spirit is residing and has power over that!
     
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    While yet a sinner, I was enslaved to lusts of the fleh, desires of the sin nature, bondage to carnality, so there are mored terms that refer to basically same thing!
     
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    Again, Jesus said no one can serve two masters. It’s one or the other, Him or Satan. If Satan is the master of the lost...and he is...then the lost are his slaves/servants.

    It’s obvious you will only accept the answer(s) you want.
     
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