The Jesuit Origins of Futurism

[1689Dave]

Or more curiously, why do you answer a question with a question?

Jesus did this. I learned it from him

 

[church mouse guy]

Jesus did this. I learned it from him

Oh, I thought that you just were trying to dodge.

 

[1689Dave]

Oh, I thought that you just were trying to dodge.

I asked how scripture could relate to contemporary history? Because that is what we are dealing in, when we say the Jesuits fabricated today's most popular end time beliefs.

 

[church mouse guy]

I asked how scripture could relate to contemporary history? Because that is what we are dealing in, when we say the Jesuits fabricated today's most popular end time beliefs.

So do you consider other people's questions important since you are doing what Jesus did?

 

[1689Dave]

So do you consider other people's questions important since you are doing what Jesus did?

I consider your question important. It tells me a lot about you.

 

[church mouse guy]

I consider your question important. It tells me a lot about you.

Did you ever consider anyone's question important enough to answer?

 

[TCassidy]

Where do you find contemporary history in scripture?

I already showed you, from the bible, the source of futurism. You just ignored it, as usual.

 

[TCassidy]

Jesus did this. I learned it from him

You are not Jesus.

 

[1689Dave]

Did you ever consider anyone's question important enough to answer?

Not always.

 

[TCassidy]

Jesuits fabricated today's most popular end time beliefs.

Which has been thoroughly disproved.

 

[1689Dave]

You are not Jesus.

But, we all learn from him. And his wisdom in answering questions with questions never failed.

 

[1689Dave]

Which has been thoroughly disproved.

Not in the least. You have not furnished any documentation for your claims. I gave 3 respected sources so far and have volumes more.

 

[1689Dave]

I already showed you, from the bible, the source of futurism. You just ignored it, as usual.

You cannot lump all futurism together. The Jesuits have their own brand the scriptures know nothing about.

 

[TCassidy]

But, we all learn from him. And his wisdom in answering questions with questions never failed.

That is because He is Omniscient. You, on the other hand, are not. (As this thread proves.)

 

[TCassidy]

You cannot lump all futurism together. The Jesuits have their own brand the scriptures know nothing about.

Who cares? There are no Jesuits in this discussion. All you are doing is trying to poison the well using the old logical fallacy of guilt by association.

 

[TCassidy]

Not in the least. You have not furnished any documentation for your claims. I gave 3 respected sources so far and have volumes more.

So you admit you don't bother to read what I post, or do you just ignore the truth when it doesn't fit your agenda?

Here it is again.

In fact most competent theologians recognize the origin of Chiliasm to have its roots in ancient Judiasm.

Charles Hodge wrote “It is a Jewish doctrine. The principles adopted by its advocates in the interpretation of prophecy are the same as have been adopted by the Jews in the time of Christ; and have led substantially to the same conclusions. The Jews expected that when the Messiah came He would establish a glorious earthly kingdom at Jerusalem; that those who had died in the faith should be raised from the dead to share the Messianic reign; that all nations and peoples on the face of the earth should be subject to them; and that any nation that would not serve them should be destroyed. All the riches and honors of the world were to be at their disposal.” Hodge Systematic Theology - Eschatology.

Because of their expectation of an earthly Kingdom the Jews, as recorded in John Chapter 6, were ready to take Jesus and make Him King by force!

Corinthes, a contemporary of the Apostle John, taught that Christ would have an earthly Kingdom lasting a thousand years with His throne in Jerusalem. Papias (second century) taught the same thing. So did Justin Martyr (about 150 A.D.) who taught that the most Christians in his time were looking forward to an earthly kingdom.

So, it is proved conclusively from the bible and from history that the claim that futurism, IE Premillennialism, originated with the Jesuits is patently false.

 

[1689Dave]

So you admit you don't bother to read what I post, or do you just ignore the truth when it doesn't fit your agenda?

Here it is again.

Thanks Tom. I realize this. But futurism goes beyond Premillennialism (Chiliasm). The futurists turn Jesus into Antichrist (Daniel 9:27). Deny Jesus fulfilled the prophecy in the middle of the 70th week on the cross. And then stuff "the gap" like a pita with a revived Roman Empire, rebuilt temple, animal sacrifices (Contrary to Hebrews), a pre-trib rapture and a lot more serious errors. All of Jesuit origins.

We are all futurists in a sense, looking for Christ's return. But I trust you will see the differences between Futurism Larkin (Dispensational) style, and historic premillennialism. Wick Broomall spelled it out clearly. Worth copying and pasting to your notes.

 

[1689Dave]

Who cares? There are no Jesuits in this discussion. All you are doing is trying to poison the well using the old logical fallacy of guilt by association.

I'm providing documented history behind some of today's most popular beliefs.

 

[1689Dave]

That is because He is Omniscient. You, on the other hand, are not. (As this thread proves.)

Do you follow Jesus? He knew how to alleviate tension by turning claims into self evident questions. I use this technique to avoid accusing people. I can say this or that about others, but I might be wrong. A simple question leaves it open for others to decide.

 

[church mouse guy]

Do you follow Jesus? He knew how to alleviate tension by turning claims into self evident questions. I use this technique to avoid accusing people. I can say this or that about others, but I might be wrong. A simple question leaves it open for others to decide.

Sorry, but you leave the impression that you cannot answer any questions, especially about Scripture, the highest court of appeal. Or the impression that the world is through the looking glass with you and you imperially decline questions.