How Much Authority Does A Church Have?

You don't seem to have a problem when orthodox Christianity said too many things beyond what was written of His words.

That is the same thing as saying you are a disciple of orthodox Christianity rather than being a disciple of Jesus Christ.

Jesus never said to come to a church for life; He said scripture testify of Him so you can come to Him for life.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

So while you are stopping to listen to me, stop listening to the church and just start listening to what Jesus is actually saying. He is the only One that scripture says can present you faultless in Heaven; not the church.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

So trust Him; no a fallible church. If the "Church" was truly following Jesus, then the Church would be pointing you to go to Him for life and to follow Him by His words alone... but the Church isn't doing that.

 

Scripture has been given that support how I am applying scripture to be the final authority on any given matter for discerning good and evil by... and that is with the understanding as scripture testify that we are to prove everything by Him at that throne of grace.

Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Each believer rooted in the word is to prove all things by Him BY the scripture, including any pet doctrines created by their church.

Can you cite scripture to back up your false doctrine that the scripture does not have sole authority?

Do look up your Bible version of 1 Corinthians 4:6 since you applied it to me that men are not to exceed what is written; then how is it you are not applying it to a church?

As only God can cause the increase for what He is leading me to share .. and that is by His words, scripture is the only means by which any one in authority governs, minister, and correct by.. and that is by the scripture; the Word of God.

You claim there is no rule in scripture in spite of His many words in scripture to the contrary, but you have no scripture citing that there is no rule that scripture is the final authority.

Indeed, how did you determine the authority of the Catholic Church as not one of authority? By the scripture. Is that not the reality that scripture has sole authority or not, until Jesus Christ comes?

 

Actions speak louder than words when His words are applied rightly.

You keep claiming scripture is not the sole authority and tried to use it vainly without using the authority of the Church or any other authority to do so. Why is that? Because scripture is the sole authority.

 

Scripture cannot go against scripture if you want to know why the lost books were considered not scripture.

Jesus validify scripture.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jesus prophesied that we will need Him to prove which scripture were kept by those who loved Him from those that did not.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Paul exhorts this necessity to rely on Jesus Christ to prove which scripture was kept by those who loved Him & His words.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Even the Old Testament is a guide to determining the keeping of His words in the scripture.

Psalm 119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. 158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

King James did not do the work. 54 translators were selected to do the work but only 47 actually did the work, even had others double checked their work. You should read up on that work at the link provided before saying something so erroneous as implying that King James being the "one" just because it was his authority for that work to be done.

Who Were The King James Version Translators?

After several requests by the Puritans whom have made complaints against errant marginal notes in the 1599 Geneva Bible that were running against scripture, and with other reasons of his own, was when King James finally gave in to have that work done.

So basically, your argument is that scripture has no "real" authority. You are teaching something that not only exceeds what is written but denouncing what is written as unreliable and not to be held in any authority at all.

And yet scripture says you can prove all things by Jesus Christ at the throne of grace to know that the source origin for the Textus Receptus being of Antioch where the disciples were first called Christians, are reliable rather than the source documents at Alexandria where poetic licensing and Gnosticism has been known to exists in the area.

Just go before that throne of grace and ask Jesus for wisdom to see which source o scripture loved Him to keep His words as that source will not decline from the testimonies of the Son in seeking His glory for those to come to Him for life.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

 

Hypocrisy is using the authority of the Bible for dismissing the Bible as unreliable and therefore no authority at all. It is one or the other. And yet you would give that authority to someone else or an organization on earth for the believers to submit to, outside the scripture.

 

What are the lies of the KJVO myth?

If all Bibles versions testify in John 16:13 that the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself; and the KJV has kept the truth of John 16:13 in Romans 8:26-27 by how the intercessions of the Holy Spirit are silent as even His groanings cannot be uttered, and that is why those who discern verse 27 would recognize that the "he" is the Son that searches our hearts as confirmed in Hebrews4:12-16 and this "he" is the same One that knows the mind of the Spirit as it is the will of God for the Son to be the only Mediator between God and men, then which Bible should you be relying on to prove that the Holy Spirit CANNOT use God's gift of tongues as a prayer language for uttering His own intercessions?

 

I am asking you what are the lies of the KJVO myth?

The other part of my post was explaining why I rely only on the KJV.

I do not know everything that makes up the KJVO and so that is why I just explained why I rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words in discerning good and evil by. That is not the same as ascribing to everything that is KJVO.

That is why I am asking you what are the lies of the KJVO myth in general? You do not need to refer to a web site. I just want your understanding of what the lies of the KJVO myth are.

 

Thank you, Salty.

I can only hope @robycop3 will continue the discussion there.

 

But the church's authority is limited when scripture of the N.T. can reprove any decision that church has made.