The Gift Ministries

[jeremiah1five]

Or, as it is commonly known...the Five-Fold Ministry: Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, and Teacher.

Ephesians 4:11 (KJV)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

These gift ministries express in and to the Church the Life of Christ in His people:

Apostle:
Hebrews 3:1 (KJV)
1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Prophet:
John 4:19 (KJV)
19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

Evangelist:
Matthew 4:17 (KJV)
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Pastor:
John 10:14 (KJV)
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Teacher:
John 3:2 (KJV)
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

The Body of Christ.
Paul described the body of believers this way:

The person who is apostle is not the apostle, Christ in the person is Apostle.
The person who is prophet is not the prophet, but Christ in the person is the Prophet.
The person who is evangelist is not the evangelist, Christ in the person is the Evangelist.
The person who is pastor is not the pastor, but Christ in the person is the Pastor/Shepherd.
The person who is teacher is not the teacher, Christ in the person is the Teacher.

These five ministries are the expressed life of Christ in His people. To say there is no more apostles - especially the apostles (thumb) is denying the Life of Christ in His people. The thumb is important for one cannot grasp a stick and other needed functions the thumb can do that the others cannot do.

To deny any of these expressed manifestations of the Life of Christ in His people is to deny Christ:

1 John 2:22-24 (KJV)
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

To deny the Life of Christ in the Church in these ministries which are Christ is to be ….. well, you know.

 

[HankD]

To deny any of these expressed manifestations of the Life of Christ in His people is to deny Christ:
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J1five is this really necessary?

It does not even matter what side of the issue one is on - to make this kind of blanket condemnation is IMO not a very wise thing to do.

To open up a post, give a "dissertation" on a subject then chuck everyone who doesn't agree into the Lake of Fire is childlike.

My opinion of course brother.

 

[jeremiah1five]

J1five is this really necessary?

It does not even matter what side of the issue one is on - to make this kind of blanket condemnation is IMO not a very wise thing to do.

To open up a post, give a "dissertation" on a subject then chuck everyone who doesn't agree into the Lake of Fire is childlike.

My opinion of course brother.

HankD, did I say anything about the lake of fire?
And the "childlike" statement is out of line.

It is necessary. The Truth is always necessary to those who are born of the Truth.
Did I condemn anyone? This is the Scripture that is speaking to you. If you have issue take up with God. All I am doing is saying the same thing as God.

Wait till my thread on the "Great Commission."

That will also be Bible.

Would you rather I post something that will itch your ears?

I think your comment is uncalled for. As it has been since the Garden..

Receive or reject. There is no medium.

Or you can reply to this Word and tell me why you oppose it.

But the question before you - since your conscience has been piqued - is whether these things are true or they are false.
I do not regard the face of man or his opinions. It is the Word of God that tells me what to say and how to act.

Thanks.

 

[HankD]

HankD, did I say anything about the lake of fire?
And the "childlike" statement is out of line.

It is necessary. The Truth is always necessary to those who are born of the Truth.
Did I condemn anyone? This is the Scripture that is speaking to you. If you have issue take up with God. All I am doing is saying the same thing as God.

Wait till my thread on the "Great Commission."

That will also be Bible.

Would you rather I post something that will itch your ears?

I think your comment is uncalled for. As it has been since the Garden..

Receive or reject. There is no medium.

Or you can reply to this Word and tell me why you oppose it.

But the question before you - since your conscience has been piqued - is whether these things are true or they are false.
I do not regard the face of man or his opinions. It is the Word of God that tells me what to say and how to act.

Thanks.

As in your other post to which I responded:

After 17 years here at the BB I/we have seen those who proclaim they are of the truth, speaking the truth yet condemning people in their posts both directly and by innuendo, consigning them to those who "deny Christ".

And of course you do throw those who disagree into the Lake of fire indeed - by innuendo of course - seeing that it is the final abode of those who reject Christ. "To deny any of these expressed manifestations of the Life of Christ in His people is to deny Christ:".

Yes, I suppose one could say that if they came around to your way of thinking then they would circumvent their doom.

 

[jeremiah1five]

As in your other post to which I responded:

After 17 years here at the BB I/we have seen those who proclaim they are of the truth, speaking the truth yet condemning people in their posts both directly and by innuendo, consigning them to those who "deny Christ".

And of course you do throw those who disagree into the Lake of fire indeed - by innuendo of course - seeing that it is the final abode of those who reject Christ. "To deny any of these expressed manifestations of the Life of Christ in His people is to deny Christ:".

Yes, I suppose one could say that if they came around to your way of thinking then they would circumvent their doom.

Do you have a reply or rebuttal to my post?
Or is this the way you "get down" with Christians you don't agree with.
Thanks, HankD.
Take that elsewhere.
I'm here to fellowship with brethren and to share my gift with my brethren and receive of them their gift.
But what is coming out of you is not does not qualify as Biblical.
It is something else.
But then again there are only two ways: life or death.
You sure are not giving me life with comments like that.
You've gotten by for 17 years, but the Lord is genuinely great at pulling covers.
You are a trouble-maker.
You come on my thread attacking me and making threats about my presence here, to intimidate me to what?
Toe the party line?
Sorry, I'm not that guy.
Later.

 

[jeremiah1five]

If I may, Mr. HankD….I want to add something for your consideration.
When you first came at me sideways with your insults I had the prerogative to invoke Matthew 18:15 as is my instruction and command. I chose not to because in my knowledge and experience, those I bump heads with most if we are TRUE-born of God - both of us ( I know I am) then if we are allowed to take this flaming of yours to its conclusion as instructed in 1 Corinthians 11:18-19, then I knew that when the 'dust' settled we were going to be OK and an understanding between us would be established and we'd be more than just friends or friendly at a website geared for Christians - we'd be brethren like David and Johnathan.

In my past I have not only bumped heads with brethren we actually took it out back for a round or two (don't be surprised, Paul used to argue with his Judaic brethren when he'd enter the synagogue and tell them from Scripture that this Jesus was truly their long-awaited Christ till he was red in the face and spittin' spit.) And these brethren I had it out with? The depth of the animus was replaced with a deeper love and respect that I desire from brethren and which God and His Christ instructs and commands (Lev. 19:17-18.)

With regard to this post two things will happen. Those who read it and the Lord opens the mind they will nod their heads without saying anything and things to themselves, "Yup, this is right, this is true," and move on to the next thread. Those that disagree will be the ones to reply and reply in the fashion that you did because quiet frankly, whoever they are in your circle of friends they will not tell you such things and be as honest with you as I have been in this thread - which is not to the unbeliever, but to my true brethren. The degree of your animus was corresponding to the truth that confronted you. I know many well-known pastors and teachers that reject the apostle or say that tongues has ceased - John MacArthur is one of them.

Consider: Christians have the whole world arrayed against them. It is enough that such an enemy is hating God and His Christ and us, don't you think that our sanctuary should be our brethren and the Church without having to worry about brethren - or false brethren sticking us in the back as well? I know you're a better man than that. You been around. But I am not here to make enemies - except those enemies who think they are Christian but are not.

I was born in 1961. I was born-again July 1977. I'm going into my 42nd year walking with Christ. I've done my 40 years in the desert. So, no, I am not a 'young' man in Christ. This old sheep has been around and not only do I have of my call and gifts to give my brethren I am also in need of their gift(s) and call which the Lord uses to grow me - and them.
Still.

Well, it's a new day. I wanted to get this to you because I awoke this morning and these things came to mind. I think there is a reasonable man under that brush. I will see. We will all see, because there are those in the Body looking at us. We either respond from the world, the flesh, and the devil, or we respond through the Scripture of whom God has given us instruction and command to deal with situations like this. That is one reason why I don't rat on my brethren.
The Scripture tells me what to say and what to do. I don't use the 'snitch-button' every time I bump heads with someone claiming to be of Christ. After all, why claim to be of Christ if we choose or fail to implement His Word in everything of which we have to do (Heb. 4:12-13.)
That's all I wanted to say.

 

[Yeshua1]

HankD, did I say anything about the lake of fire?
And the "childlike" statement is out of line.

It is necessary. The Truth is always necessary to those who are born of the Truth.
Did I condemn anyone? This is the Scripture that is speaking to you. If you have issue take up with God. All I am doing is saying the same thing as God.

Wait till my thread on the "Great Commission."

That will also be Bible.

Would you rather I post something that will itch your ears?

I think your comment is uncalled for. As it has been since the Garden..

Receive or reject. There is no medium.

Or you can reply to this Word and tell me why you oppose it.

But the question before you - since your conscience has been piqued - is whether these things are true or they are false.
I do not regard the face of man or his opinions. It is the Word of God that tells me what to say and how to act.

Thanks.

The church was build upon the Rock of Jesus, and the prophets and Apostles theology, and those 2 offices are no more!

 

[HankD]

If I may, Mr. HankD….I want to add something for your consideration.
When you first came at me sideways with your insults I had the prerogative to invoke Matthew 18:15 as is my instruction and command. I chose not to because in my knowledge and experience, those I bump heads with most if we are TRUE-born of God - both of us ( I know I am) then if we are allowed to take this flaming of yours to its conclusion as instructed in 1 Corinthians 11:18-19, then I knew that when the 'dust' settled we were going to be OK and an understanding between us would be established and we'd be more than just friends or friendly at a website geared for Christians - we'd be brethren like David and Johnathan.

In my past I have not only bumped heads with brethren we actually took it out back for a round or two (don't be surprised, Paul used to argue with his Judaic brethren when he'd enter the synagogue and tell them from Scripture that this Jesus was truly their long-awaited Christ till he was red in the face and spittin' spit.) And these brethren I had it out with? The depth of the animus was replaced with a deeper love and respect that I desire from brethren and which God and His Christ instructs and commands (Lev. 19:17-18.)

With regard to this post two things will happen. Those who read it and the Lord opens the mind they will nod their heads without saying anything and things to themselves, "Yup, this is right, this is true," and move on to the next thread. Those that disagree will be the ones to reply and reply in the fashion that you did because quiet frankly, whoever they are in your circle of friends they will not tell you such things and be as honest with you as I have been in this thread - which is not to the unbeliever, but to my true brethren. The degree of your animus was corresponding to the truth that confronted you. I know many well-known pastors and teachers that reject the apostle or say that tongues has ceased - John MacArthur is one of them.

Consider: Christians have the whole world arrayed against them. It is enough that such an enemy is hating God and His Christ and us, don't you think that our sanctuary should be our brethren and the Church without having to worry about brethren - or false brethren sticking us in the back as well? I know you're a better man than that. You been around. But I am not here to make enemies - except those enemies who think they are Christian but are not.

I was born in 1961. I was born-again July 1977. I'm going into my 42nd year walking with Christ. I've done my 40 years in the desert. So, no, I am not a 'young' man in Christ. This old sheep has been around and not only do I have of my call and gifts to give my brethren I am also in need of their gift(s) and call which the Lord uses to grow me - and them.
Still.

Well, it's a new day. I wanted to get this to you because I awoke this morning and these things came to mind. I think there is a reasonable man under that brush. I will see. We will all see, because there are those in the Body looking at us. We either respond from the world, the flesh, and the devil, or we respond through the Scripture of whom God has given us instruction and command to deal with situations like this. That is one reason why I don't rat on my brethren.
The Scripture tells me what to say and what to do. I don't use the 'snitch-button' every time I bump heads with someone claiming to be of Christ. After all, why claim to be of Christ if we choose or fail to implement His Word in everything of which we have to do (Heb. 4:12-13.)
That's all I wanted to say.

OK fair enough. My response was due to the fact that your statements from the O/P of "the Gift Ministries" of which you enumerated five were obliquely condemning: :

These five ministries are the expressed life of Christ in His people. To say there is no more apostles - especially the apostles (thumb) is denying the Life of Christ in His people. The thumb is important for one cannot grasp a stick and other needed functions the thumb can do that the others cannot do.

To deny any of these expressed manifestations of the Life of Christ in His people is to deny Christ:

would be (in my estimation) condemnatory of a great deal of people (my self included) here at the BB since you did in fact present the office of apostle in a present tense venue "To say there is no more apostles - especially the apostles (thumb) is denying the Life of Christ in His people"

This kind of opening is usually (hopefully I am wrong applying this premise to your behavior) is indicative of what is commonly called "trolling".

Personally I have no problem with differences of any magnitude but it seemed (yes perhaps wrongfully) you come here to the BB with a lot of combative luggage which also is part of my trove though I use it seldom.

So starting with the gift of apostle as part of the "5 Fold Ministry" of your O/P, I will admit to being hasty in my concern of you being one looking for a fight rather than an exchange of beliefs to lead to a better understanding of others and yes perhaps even the Word of God itself.

I am therefore willing to exchange as long as I am not told directly, obliquely or by innuendo that I and others have denied Christ.
I also pledge the same brother.

My first scripture concerning your title of the O/P "The Gift Ministries"

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

The Five
So "apostle" at first cast causes a "Flashing Yellow Light" (figuratively speaking of course) to go off.

So yes I am a Baptist traditionalist who does not believe that the office of apostle is for the 21 century but ceased when the last "Apostle" (presumably John the Apostle) left the earthy scene.

What then is the biblical nomenclature for "apostle" - This would be a good starting point IMO.

 

[JonShaff]

So yes I am a Baptist traditionalist who does not believe that the office of apostle is for the 21 century but ceased when the last "Apostle" (presumably John the Apostle) left the earthy scene.

Greetings, Hank! I do have a question for you to contemplate. If Apostles ceased after John, why did Jesus our Lord commend the Ephesians that they were able to spot out false apostles if there were not true apostles still ministering?

Revelation 2
2 “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars..."

Would it not be easy to point out false apostles if John were the only Apostle left?

 

[HankD]

Greetings, Hank! I do have a question for you to contemplate. If Apostles ceased after John, why did Jesus our Lord commend the Ephesians that they were able to spot out false apostles if there were not true apostles still ministering?

Revelation 2
2 “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars..."

Would it not be easy to point out false apostles if John were the only Apostle left?

Yes and the Ephesians did just that.
Just surmising:
The psuedo-apostles would have no doubt said that 1) Jesus had more than 12 apostles contrary to church opinion.2) They had walked/talked/served under Christ in the days of His flesh and 3) He ordained them as apostles.

However after testing them (whatever the "test" was) they were found to be "liars".

 

[jeremiah1five]

Hey! JonSchaff. Cut him some slack. LOL I tilt towards this one being brethren. Has the fire, just needs the doctrine and he will do good service to His King.
I smiled.
Still am.

 

[HankD]

Hey! JonSchaff. Cut him some slack. LOL I tilt towards this one being brethren. Has the fire, just needs the doctrine and he will do good service to His King.
I smiled.
Still am.

If you are referring to me, I'll take that as a compliment.
Which (Jon's inquiry) is interesting - Wondering - what was the test?

Apostle - by succession or ordained of Christ from heaven?

Are there other choices/alternatives?

 

[JonShaff]

1) Jesus had more than 12 apostles contrary to church opinion

But there is 20-something apostles named in the Scriptures.

2) They had walked/talked/served under Christ in the days of His flesh

You must be talking about the "Apostles of the Lamb" here.

3) He ordained them as apostles.

And The Lord does ordain apostles for sure.

However after testing them (whatever the "test" was) they were found to be "liars".

I, too, am curious.

 

[Yeshua1]

OK fair enough. My response was due to the fact that your statements from the O/P of "the Gift Ministries" of which you enumerated five were obliquely condemning: :


would be (in my estimation) condemnatory of a great deal of people (my self included) here at the BB since you did in fact present the office of apostle in a present tense venue "To say there is no more apostles - especially the apostles (thumb) is denying the Life of Christ in His people"

This kind of opening is usually (hopefully I am wrong applying this premise to your behavior) is indicative of what is commonly called "trolling".

Personally I have no problem with differences of any magnitude but it seemed (yes perhaps wrongfully) you come here to the BB with a lot of combative luggage which also is part of my trove though I use it seldom.

So starting with the gift of apostle as part of the "5 Fold Ministry" of your O/P, I will admit to being hasty in my concern of you being one looking for a fight rather than an exchange of beliefs to lead to a better understanding of others and yes perhaps even the Word of God itself.

I am therefore willing to exchange as long as I am not told directly, obliquely or by innuendo that I and others have denied Christ.
I also pledge the same brother.

My first scripture concerning your title of the O/P "The Gift Ministries"

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

The Five
So "apostle" at first cast causes a "Flashing Yellow Light" (figuratively speaking of course) to go off.

So yes I am a Baptist traditionalist who does not believe that the office of apostle is for the 21 century but ceased when the last "Apostle" (presumably John the Apostle) left the earthy scene.

What then is the biblical nomenclature for "apostle" - This would be a good starting point IMO.

A true Apostle of Jesus was either with the Lord while he walked around , or else saw Him as the risen Christ , as the Apostle Paul himself did!

 

[HankD]

But there is 20-something apostles named in the Scriptures.
.

In the eternal city not built with hands The New Jerusalem the final number of "apostles" was/is/will ever be 12.

Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

the other "apostles" were those referred to as The sent ones - apostoloi, apostolon. These were they who had not served Christ in the days of His flesh yet were called and sent by the church on mission. Loosely speaking we (Traditional Baptists) would call them "missionaries" but it is not an "office" in the church as per the Baptist distinctives - pastor, deacon.

Baptist churches for the most part do not hold to apostolic succession, but some do indeed.

 

[Yeshua1]

In the eternal city not built with hands The New Jerusalem the final number of "apostles" was/is/will ever be 12.

Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

the other "apostles" were those referred to as The sent ones - apostoloi, apostolon. These were they who had not served Christ in the days of His flesh yet were called and sent by the church on mission. Loosely speaking we (Traditional Baptists) would call them "missionaries" but it is not an "office" in the church as per the Baptist distinctives - pastor, deacon.

Baptist churches for the most part do not hold to apostolic succession, but some do indeed.

The scriptures themselves would not hold to modern day Apostles/prophets in the stricy use of those terms, but if we see them as say missionaries, or has those gifted to apply prophecy for today to us...

 

[HankD]

A true Apostle of Jesus was either with the Lord while he walked around , or else saw Him as the risen Christ , as the Apostle Paul himself did!

Paul saw Christ on the road to Damascus
1 Corinthians 15
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

Presumably to replace Judas.
Matthias Acts 1:26 - the choice of the apostles, the result of casting lots but perhaps not the choice of God.
Acts is an historical narrative infallible such as Judas' suicide in its account but not necessarily with God's stamp of approval.

Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

 

[JonShaff]

In the eternal city not built with hands The New Jerusalem the final number of "apostles" was/is/will ever be 12.

Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

the other "apostles" were those referred to as The sent ones - apostoloi, apostolon. These were they who had not served Christ in the days of His flesh yet were called and sent by the church on mission. Loosely speaking we (Traditional Baptists) would call them "missionaries" but it is not an "office" in the church as per the Baptist distinctives - pastor, deacon.

Baptist churches for the most part do not hold to apostolic succession, but some do indeed.

There is a distinction there--"Apostles of the Lamb"

There are many other Apostles in the Scriptures.

Jude was an apostle (Jesus' Brother), Matthias, Paul, Adronicus and Junia (Romans 16:7), Titus, Timothy, Silas, Barnabas, etc. You can call them missionaries, But i will call them Apostles.

 

[jeremiah1five]

OK fair enough. My response was due to the fact that your statements from the O/P of "the Gift Ministries" of which you enumerated five were obliquely condemning: :


would be (in my estimation) condemnatory of a great deal of people (my self included) here at the BB since you did in fact present the office of apostle in a present tense venue "To say there is no more apostles - especially the apostles (thumb) is denying the Life of Christ in His people"

This kind of opening is usually (hopefully I am wrong applying this premise to your behavior) is indicative of what is commonly called "trolling".

Personally I have no problem with differences of any magnitude but it seemed (yes perhaps wrongfully) you come here to the BB with a lot of combative luggage which also is part of my trove though I use it seldom.

So starting with the gift of apostle as part of the "5 Fold Ministry" of your O/P, I will admit to being hasty in my concern of you being one looking for a fight rather than an exchange of beliefs to lead to a better understanding of others and yes perhaps even the Word of God itself.

I am therefore willing to exchange as long as I am not told directly, obliquely or by innuendo that I and others have denied Christ.
I also pledge the same brother.

My first scripture concerning your title of the O/P "The Gift Ministries"

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

The Five
So "apostle" at first cast causes a "Flashing Yellow Light" (figuratively speaking of course) to go off.

So yes I am a Baptist traditionalist who does not believe that the office of apostle is for the 21 century but ceased when the last "Apostle" (presumably John the Apostle) left the earthy scene.

What then is the biblical nomenclature for "apostle" - This would be a good starting point IMO.

HankD, moving on...
My statements weren't 'condemning,' they were declarative. But that's the nature of my call. I can't and won't change it because I have my Lord exactly where He wants me. So, let's be honest. You took it as condemning because your conscience was piqued. Just as you say, you're a traditionalist and you reject the apostle in the Church and if my declarations are correct then your understanding of the Life of Christ in His people needs to be adjusted. You need to give up tradition. But I am not the Holy Spirit. If my statements are true then the Spirit of Truth will apply them to those He chooses to have this in their belief-system. I plant and I water. God gives the increase. But it may not be for you. It may just be for someone else (plural). You weren't even named. You revealed yourself. Let's be frank. God blinds eyes and He opens eyes. God darkens the understanding and in others He opens the mind. That's just what He does.

No nomenclature. Just straight-up Biblical truth. I've demonstrated through Scripture that Christ holds office of all five of these ministries. They are HIS LIFE, not mine, not yours, not Paul's not Judas', not Peter's.
Christ.

Does the Scripture say at the death of John there are no more apostles? Does it even imply it? No, it doesn't. So where does that cessation teaching come from? And if it's not Bible then why believe it? Why even teach it?

Ephaphroditus was apostle. I consider him an apostle's apostle for he ministered to Paul in his great need.

Then there is Andronicus and Junias. Apostles. Maybe John wasn't the last to die given the number of apostles in the Church in the first century.

If no apostle, no hand. Simple as that. God has no handicaps. He has a fully functional hand. Those that are called apostle in this day know who they are in Christ regardless of traditional holdings. The Roman CC also depend on tradition. The Pharisees and Sadducees were holders of tradition, and what did Christ declare to them?

Mark 7:6-9 (KJV)
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

 

[tyndale1946]

I have one question as we get a myriad of individuals on here... Your avatar on here has you as jeremiah1five... Which states...

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

I'm of curious sort do you consider yourself one?... Brother Glen