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Mark 10:31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.
I'm happy in the midst.
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Mark 10:31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.
I'm happy in the midst.
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The function of an apostle is what God declares for that apostle. And it is not restricted to Paul or Peter or any of the apostles in Scripture.
Apostle #1: Called and sent at the appointed TIME. This Christian may have the gift of discernment and knowledge. Plus this apostle has a personality, possesses a natural gift (pound), has a particular level of Biblical knowledge, may speak only one language, etc...
Apostle #2: Called and sent at the Appointed TIME. This Christian may have the gift of tongues, the gift of helps, the gift of prophecy. Plus this apostle has a personality, possesses a natural gift (pound) has a higher level of Biblical knowledge, may speak two languages, etc...
Apostle #3: Called and sent at the appointed TIME. This Christian may have the gift of the word of wisdom, the gift of faith, the working of miracles, has the gift of prophecy and interpretation, plus this apostle has a still higher level of Biblical knowledge, Ivy-league graduate, has a personality, possesses a natural gift (or two) a pound, and has a great sense of humor, etc...
Do you see what I am getting at, HankD?
We are NOT all cookie-cutter Christians. We do not all mimic another Christians' gift(s) (as is forced upon every new Christian born of God, that they must go out to the uttermost places and preach Jesus, preach Jesus at home, preach Jesus at work, preach Jesus on a street corner...) all that bull-dug-doctrine in the Church today.
That is the fallacy of the "Great Commission."
When Jesus commissioned His twelve apostles, and later, the eleven, He said, "Go ye..."
In other words He said, "YOU go..." meaning the eleven.
The Church takes that and perverts the Lord's command by now saying Jesus was speaking to all of Christendom.
But that is a heresy.
Jesus commissioned ONLY the eleven to do what He asked because since the Diaspora His people (Matt. 1:21) were scattered throughout the then-known world and the message Jesus Christ needed to get to His people was a simple three-word Gospel:
A Promise Fulfilled. (Deut. 18:15).
God has KEPT His Promise to the Patriarchs of Israel, to the children of Israel.
HIS PEOPLE. And His people is NOT the world. It would be hypocritical of God to command us to NOT LOVE THE WORLD and then He turns around and "loves the world."
The world is NOT of the Father. The world is enemy of God. God hates the world.
And God's hate is Sovereign. And the world hates Him right back (and I'm talking about the Non-Elect-never -to-be-saved-world.
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That passage applies to Judas.
He was listed last in Scripture, but first in line to greet His Master in glory.
jeremiah1five
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Judas many times was identified by the Holy Scripture as being "among the twelve."
Matthias was only "with the eleven."
That is significant.
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I Agree!
Thank you, brothers! It really means a lot to me that y'all lifted us up to the Lord in Prayer! May King Jesus receive the reward of His suffering!
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Christians are under command to do unto others as they want others to do to them.So, I am genuinely interested in the teaching of apostolic succession.
Secessionists please read post #57.
Not trick questions not even the first as I believe the Church of Rome might be able to come up with a list (Cardinals are in the apostolic succession).
No judgemental attitude unless you do it first
And if they do it first....well, you know.
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Yes. The Holy Spirt can be short-circuited.
IF you use commentaries He can, commentaries are only another man's Bible study. When you go to them instead of waiting on the answer to a Scripture you're trying to understand from the Lord, and the commentary says "this" about your question and you take it to yourself and it becomes part of your belief-system, then yes, you just kicked the Holy Spirit to the curb.
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Thank you for that.
And thank you for your service (if I haven't said so earlier.)
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So, correct me if I am wrong, but is that a qualification to being an apostle of the Lord? The gift/ability to raise the dead?
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This man was military (or still is).
Give him his props.
God Bless America
(although God has no Covenant with America).
The Commentaries are very useful to use, as they are men who have studies the Bible and have insight to give to us, but we sahould do due diligence of the scriptures forst before we consult and use them!
Must have know Jesus personally, or else met Him as the risen Lord as Paul did, and must be inspired to record sacred texts to us!
I do not see that anywhere in Scripture.
Paul clearly teaches us that gifts and callings are from Jesus Christ, Himself. The Spirit Gifts as He wills. "Paul, called to be an apostle by the will of God." Now, they may have demonstrated their apostleship. Paul highlights his apostleship by declaring PEOPLE/ASSEMBLIES are his seal of apostleship.
1 Cor. 9:2
Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you! For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
Jesus personally commissioned Him and the others to be His Apostles. and they were unique, no apostoic succession!
First, you are clearly unwilling to learn. Second, you are unwilling to believe. Third, traditions have created a wedge in your spiritual life. This conversation is really fruitless. And this is what is wrong with the climate of "Christianity" here in america. We have two extremes. One is the fringe groups who do not take the Scripture seriously at all and you have charismatic chaos (as MacArthur says). Then the pendulum swing goes to the point of believing Traditions over the Plain reading of the Text--denying the simple truths.
You do not think Adoniram Judson was personally commissioned by Christ to go to Burma? Who do you think commissioned him? The Devil?
He was not commissioned as an Apostle in the same sense of the NT ones!
Do you beleive that Jesus commissioned throughout church histyory Apostles and prophets that did exactly what the ones in the Bible were shown and said to be doing for Him?
Who commissioned Adoniram Judson to go to Burma?
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