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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Jordan Kurecki, Oct 13, 2018.

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  1. Ready to Harvest

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    They corrected that issue. And it does retain singular and plural by using superscripts.
     
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    TRUTH is, the whole KJVO idea, and the myth it created, are all MAN-MADE. There's NOTHING FROM GOD supporting that idea. The whole thingie is entirely man-made.

    if one PREFERS the KJV (or any other one valid version) for whatever reason, fine, but to declare the KJV (or any other version) as the ONLY valid English Bible translation is entirely-false, with no ACTUAL AUTHORITY behind it at all.
     
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    The KJV is my base study Bible translation. The only modern translation in popular use that I find barley tenable is the NKJV. Of the modern translations it is the one that I commonly use. And it being the only modern translation that I recommend to others. I reference my NASB (1977 ed) for translation against the NKJV. And the NIV (1984 ed) for its margin notes. The ESV after I bought a good bound edition, I have become disappointed with the translation.
     
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  4. Jordan Kurecki

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    Reply from David Cloud:

    when and if I do publish another edition of that book, I will include more of the context so that it can be noted that Hort expressed mild distaste for “excessive finery and meanness of ornaments” and “superstition.” But it is obvious to me that he did not abhor it as he should have and as the Psalmist would have (Ps. 119:128). He spoke of the fallen grandeur of the Romish church. There never was any grandeur to the Romanish “church” so called. And I can see no good reason why he would want to kneel at such a place for hours.
    As for someone challenging me about this in the past and me not correcting it according to their challenge, I don’t recall it and I have no idea what such a person might have said exactly. I can tell you, though, that there has only been one “edition” of Bible Version Hall of Shame, and any modifications I have made through the years remain unpublished so far. So the idea that I have simply refused to correct an error is wrong. I am all about truth, my friend. God knows my heart.
    David Cloud
    Way of Life Literature
    dcloud@wayoflife.org
    www.wayoflife.org
     
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    I just received one in the mail a few days ago and it has “living” spirit.
     
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    The modern versions did not change ANY major Christian doctrine of the Faith, correct?
     
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    you claim that you saw the updated version of Modern Bible Version Hall of Shame, According to David Cloud, and by looking at the front of his book, I can see that there is only one copyright from 2005 and no mention of revisions or updates, Cloud is in the habit of noting when he expands or updates books and articles that he publishes. It would seem to me that your accusations toward him are not factual.
     
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    the latest copyright is from 2015.
     
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    Just as I said, Cloud did nothing to clear this matter up. Bottom line, he's perfectly content to let these lies exist. This is where he falls into the Riplinger camp. Even then, he did not read the sources that were available to him, he chose instead to use the lies. Do a google search of Westcott and Hort. KJVO lies, one after another, after another. Cloud has a Christian duty to fully research his material and a moral duty to tell the truth.

    "I don't recall" is what people say when they don't want to own what they have done. I expect that from Gipp and Riplinger, but not David Cloud. He is now slipped off my list of credible sources.

    Both of claims that Westcott and Hort loved Catholicism are flat out lies.

    But, none of this should have stopped you from finding the truth. Why haven't you?
     
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    Quite right, and I agree.:Thumbsup
    None of it is explicitly found in God's word.

    Not. One. Word.
    It's basically nothing more than occasional men pointing to something and saying, "hey, that's different" and asking "why?".
    Some of those men ( and women ) may even be concerned that the difference is in man's words versus God's words, and whether or not there's a "bait and switch" going on.

    But it seems that speaking of this subject ( especially here ) is dangerous for one that loves the AV and sees problems when comparing it to others.
    Yes, I suppose that means that I view it as the foundation to which all other English translations should compare ( because I've been using it since I was called in 1978 ), but I see nothing really wrong with that.

    For me, it's personal, and not a matter of breaking fellowship over.

    Ladies and gentlemen, I'm not advocating that God's children be forced to read from a 400 year old English translation if they don't like to...
    I just want people to know that I think there's more to the modern translations than simply men trying to arrive at the best one.

    However, what I see as very odd, is that so many people have little trouble with picking up translations that, in some places, word things entirely different than the AV... and don't seem to see a problem with it.
    In the end, there's nothing I can do about that except to let it go.



    From my perspective, it really is strange being "KJVO" ( Well, "KJV Preferred" and "TRO" ) and believing in election.
    I've seen the comments, for example, about Will Kinney and how some here see him.

    He really doesn't stand a chance, does he?


    So...

    From here on out, I will steer a wide course to avoid threads like these on this forum, and on any forum for that matter.;)
    I may post on others, but to me, there's far too much hatred brewing here about this one issue than on anything else I've yet to see.




    May God bless you all. :)
     
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    It seems to me, that David Cloud published things were not true, and is not setting a godly standard for Christian behavior.
     
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    I am still waiting for you to prove your claim
    that Cloud published an update version of his book that he refuses to change.

    Cloud told me he will look more into the quotes and change them if he feels they are warranted.

    Prove your accusation or stop accusing Cloud of refusing to fix the quotes.
     
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    That is because you bought an old edition.
     
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    In a new thread entitled "KJV-only failures to correct errors," I provide clear evidence that David Cloud does not correct some errors when they are pointed out to him.
     
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    On the premise that is true, are you arguing one should then be willing to omit portions of God's word?
     
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    Most of those ensnared by KJVO cannot change their positions regarding known errors in their position!
     
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    The "omissions" KJVOs cite are actually ADDITIONS in the KJV.
     
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    Why?

    Because of...PRIDE!

    The KJVO does not wanna admit he was hoodwinked by whoever/whatever led him to be KJVO. I have repeatedly, for many years, pointed out to KJVOs that they don't have one word of SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for their myth; therefore it CANNOT be true. It has no AUTHORITY to believe it.

    Those same KJVOs reject many other false doctrines for the same reason - lacka Scriptural support, but they turn a blind eye when it comes to THEIR OWN false doctrine!
     
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    What you call corn is actually Maize. Corn in the bible is wheat. Barley is mentioned sepately.
     
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    Nonesense
     
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