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  1. OfLivingWaters

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    John 1:1, 14 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.
    We too become a God Bearer by embracing Mary= bring Christ to the world through teaching the faith. Mary can not be rejected or maligned because she is a TYPE or example of what the Assembly (Church) of God will be.
    What happened to her will happen to the END TIME elect. REV.12
    The Elect is the generation who will see all the Tribulation events.

    The Lesson of the Fig Tree Matthew 24:33-35
    …33So also, when you see all these things, you know that He is near, right at the door. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.…
    The Elect will not pass away from this world : (MEANING NOT DIE BEFORE the events of the tribulation but will live through. )Until all the trumpets sound and the Tribulation events happen we will not be taken. We will see heaven and earth pass away, but we will not pass away, before we see this. The mystery is that we are transformed by the finger of God and consummated to heaven not the earth. We are like the Ark He took up with Him at His ascension. The OLD COVENANT ark was consummated to the earth. This is why Paul says I tell you a mystery, because he knows what the meaning of the ARK in Psalm 132 7-9 is and what The NEW COVENANT is. Those chosen to not die through martyrdom, will not have their lives touched by men as Mary did not. We will only be taken from the earth by God.
    Paul tells us :50Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. But then states a mystery...... 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed .He is seeing the last generation for it is clear all the apostles died (Except for one , that is another discussion). It is clear throughout Christian history- AD and the ascension -the church has remained on earth. But Paul sees the future and these who do not sleep are instantly transformed into that which is imperishable. In the NEW COVENANT Mother Mary is the FIRST to have had this happen, we the end time ELECT will be the second of the NEW COVENANT to have this happen. We will not pass away with heaven and earth, because we are His words. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.…He is the Word, we are His words we are those that have God's word written upon our minds and hearts.
    Hebrews 8:10
    10For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds, and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.…
    This makes us his living words.

    Revelation 11:15-19
    The Seventh Trumpet
    15 Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign for ever and ever.” 16 And the twenty-four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying,

    “We give thanks to thee, Lord God Almighty, who art and who wast,
    that thou hast taken thy great power and begun to reign.

    Back to the Ark:
    Rev.11:19
    19Then the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the Ark of His covenant appeared in His temple. And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and rolls of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm.

    Now , one of the Arks is in the Temple of God, is it the obsolete Ark or the ONE OF HIS STRENGTH meaning not made by human hands but by His power? Let me use another Protestant quote, Not by works but by grace, can man's works of his hands be taken up to heaven? No! By the POWER of God Mary was made Immaculate, Theotokos, Ark of the New Covenant and the Queen of heaven. Now let's see you try and use scripture against itself and prove David a liar. So far I have aligned ALL scripture you have divided. a house divided can not stand, so your interpretation must be wrong.
    "And those who do the will of My Father in heaven are my brother, sister mother", this is another quote of Christ which many Protestants misinterpret. Let's look at what is truly being said , SOLA SCRIPTURA, for God is NOT a God of confusion.

    Jesus' Mother and Brothers Matthew 12:46-50

    46While Jesus was still speaking to the crowds, His mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to Him. 47Someone told Him, “Look, Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to You.”
    48But Jesus replied, “Who is My mother, and who are My brothers?” 49Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers. 50For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

    You probably think Christ contradicts Himself and is disregarding His chosen Mother as if He would break His own Commandments, "honor thy father and thy mother". No He is not. Through the Holy Spirit let us look at the scriptures through the eyes of love. Someone told Him, while He was teaching "look your mother and brothers are standing outside". They interrupted Him, why? It is clear , they thought it more important for Him to acknowledge Mary and the apostles than to continue speaking to the crowd. WHY? Because it is obvious due to the interruption they held Mary and the Apostles in high regard (Brother used here has to do with a community of followers, not siblings). So Jesus tells them , "who are My mother , and my brothers" and pointing to the crowd says ALL who do the will of His Father in heaven. He is not saying in a dismissive way as shrugging off " WHO are my mother and my brothers", but as to esteeming the crowd to aspire to their highest good. The crowd held Mary and the apostles in high esteem, so Christ tells them to aspire to that highest good and be like His Mother and the Apostles for it is clear that those of the foundation- Mary and the apostles do the will of His Father in heaven. Therefore, all who too do His Father's will, are in likeness to, His Mother and apostles. He does not contradict Himself. Misinterpretation makes Him sound as though He does. It is clear my interpretation is correct because so far scripture has not been used against itself by me.

    If you notice Christ never says are His Father, why? Because no person is over Christ. though many try to Lord Him over by falsely wielding His words. People can only aspire to be like His brother or sister or mother , NOT God the Father. Christ is God over us, in Him we are made in His image: meaning as to what He (CHRIST) sees fit for His people, and in obeying that image, do the will of His Father in heaven and are like Christ in obedience to God. You can not usurp the foundation they are an example and type for us who learn after them how to be. To be like them is to esteem them.
    Christian Living 1Thessolonians 5:11-13

    11Therefore encourage and build one another up, just as you are already doing. 12But we ask you, brothers, to acknowledge those who work diligently among you, who preside over you in the Lord and give YOU instruction. 13In love, hold them in highest regard because of their work. Live in peace with one another.…

    Who labors among us to this day? Mary and the apostles, their work is throughout the ages. They are OVER US, meaning TEACH US OF CHRIST in Christ and are in Heaven, no one else is before them.They are above the OC matriarchs and patriarchs as well. WHY? The story of Jacob reveals (The older shall serve the younger) His story is profound and reveals mysteries concerning the meaning of the Old and New Covenant.
    Mary is in the NC and is established and revealed as a visitor of souls, along with angels (Jacobs ladder). She has been with the Church in Christ since its inception. It is right to greet Mary "hail Mary full of grace" she has been hailed in this way since the beginning of the New covenant. She has since the first visitation been established as a visitor of souls . The Mary of Romans 16:6 refers to her. Paul established the greeting to the Ark of the New covenant early on. This had to be because Mary was always with Christ wherever He went. Presenting and greeting Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant is bowing before the ARK OF CHRIST STRENGTH. Psalm 132.She was with Christ to the end and is beyond. Paul knows this and established the GREETING ( HAIL) of Mary.
    Romans 16:6
    6Greet Mary, who has worked very hard for you. The Rosary since the beginning has been, it is the LIFE OF CHRIST and His mother and the apostles and all others mentioned within are in living action in the Holy Spirit.For no one dies in Christ, that is why he came. The spirit lives eternally in Him. You can not deny the Rosary, you deny the scriptures if you do. We have the presents of Mary and the apostles with us through it. This is the umbilical cord which keeps us in sync with them as having them always with us.
     
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    Psalm 132:7-9

    …7Let us go to His dwelling place; let us worship at His footstool. 8Arise, O LORD, to Your resting place, You and the ark of Your strength. 9May Your priests be clothed with righteousness, and Your saints shout for joy.…
    Where is His dwelling place?
    1Corinthians 3:16
    16Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?
    He dwells within His people.
    Where is His Footstool?
    Heaven is My Throne
    Isaiah 66:1-2
    1This is what the LORD says: “Heaven is My throne, and earth is My footstool. What kind of house will you build for Me? Or where will be My place of repose? 2Has not My hand made all these things? And so they came into being, declares the LORD. This is the one I will esteem: he who is humble and contrite in spirit, who trembles at My word.…

    Upon His footstool ?EARTH! We who are His temple will worship Him within our beings. He esteems , as He has Mary, those who are humble.

    Where is the Lords resting place after He arose?
    God's Faithful Messiah Psalm 110:1-2

    1A Psalm of David. The LORD said to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.” 2The LORD will extend Your mighty scepter from Zion: “Rule in the midst of your enemies.”…
    His enemies on the footstool (earth) will be placed under his feet.
    Rev.12:5
    5And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
    Who was ALREADY -hence the WORD WAS, caught up to God's throne? Christ at his ascension.

    Who, before all gave birth to Christ? Mary.She now does this for the soul . You can not be Christ like by rejecting His chosen mother. You can not be part of His Bride if you reject her God given role. And you most certainly can not teach about Christ to the World if you disown her as Mother. For she can not be the mother of the Head and not the body, that make no sense- since the HEAD RULES THE BODY. I am not saying because she is His Mother she rules Him , but that she is Chosen By him to replace EVE just as Christ is the SECOND Adam.

    The Resurrection Body 1Corinthians 15:44-46

    …44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual.…

    Eve was Bone of Adams Bone and flesh of his flesh. Mary is Spirit Born of Christ Spirit .

    1Corinthians 15:46-49
    46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so also are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.


    John 19:26-27
    26When Jesus saw His mother and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, “Woman, here is your son.” 27Then He said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” So from that hour, this disciple took her into his home.…

    Behold your MOTHER PROTESTANTS and take her into your life. The Word of the LORD!" IT IS COMPLETION, I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END" "Those who hearken to My voice shall be lead to the waters of Life and will be permitted to eat of the Tree of Life". So says the the WORD, it is written, it is done!
    As for what the RC DENOMINATION does wrong, God is addressing that, and all others as well. NOT ONE DENOMINATION WILL ESCAPE HIS ADMONISHMENT. This the season of REV.12 big changes coming! SOLA SCRIPTURA!
     
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    Boy, is that messed up
     
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    Rev.12:10-11
    10And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, he who accuses them day and night before our God. 11They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; and they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death.…

    Job 1:11
    But stretch out Your hand and strike all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face."

    Job 2:5
    But stretch out Your hand and strike his flesh and bones, and he will surely curse You to Your face."

    Zechariah 3:1
    Then the angel showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the LORD, with Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him.

    Luke 22:31
    Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat.

    1 Peter 5:8
    Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

    Revelation 7:10
    And they cried out in a loud voice: "Salvation to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"

    Sola Scriptura ! Use the Word of God to disprove not personal opinion!
     
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    He was a member of the One Universal (also called Catholic) Church with it's pre-eminent Bishop based in Rome, just like all the other Early Church Fathers were. There was but one Christian Church, there was no other!

    St. Athanasius was exiled 5 times and with his 2nd banishment in 338 by Emporer Constantius II as related in Wikipedia the following happened: "Within a few weeks he (Athanasius) set out for Rome to lay his case before the Church at large. He had made his appeal to Pope Julius, who took up his cause with whole-heartedness that never wavered down to the day of that holy pontiff's death. The pope summoned a synod of bishops to meet in Rome. After a careful and detailed examination of the entire case, the primate's innocence was proclaimed to the Christian world."

    Not Catholic, then why would he seek out the Bishop of Rome to take up his cause? Good grief, you can't deny the historical facts my friend.

    No. I fail to see how that sustains your position. Nothing is mentioned in his quote of the power and authority that is held by the Church, which he as a good and faithful Christian (a Catholic as I clearly indicated earlier in this very post) certainly would be inclined to follow.
     
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    You will have to do better than to quote Wikipedia at me. The was no such person as 'pope' Julius; he was Bishop of Rome. Athanasius fled to the West because Constantius, the Eastern Emperor, favoured the Arians while Constans, the Western Emperor, favoured the Nicene creed.. After the synod you mention, there was a synod called in Antioch in 341 which denied Rome's right to judge the case and drew up a new creed on Arian lines.

    So much for your one universal catholic Church.
     
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    You are right. Nothing is mentioned about the power of the Church. As a good and faithful Christian, Athanasius was speaking of the authority of Scripture.
     
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    Pope:
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    the bishop of Rome as head of the Roman Catholic Church.
     
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    Xin loi but that is the perfect statement of non commitment from a Religious Man following Man's complete lack of understanding of what Yashuah ha'Mashiah was here to restore.
     
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    [QUOTE="robycop3, post: 2462209, member: 5296]"Thus, I maintain there's simply NO authority on earth higher than Scripture in all matters of Christian faith/worship, and ALL our intel about God comes from Scripture![/QUOTE]

    And this is why I am a preterist.
     
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    Okay as you say, "Julius, the Bishop of Rome". I can deal with that - but in todays vernacular I think he can legitimately be referred to as "Pope Julius". This same word however was used in the early centuries
    to describe all Bishops, but eventually became reserved just for the "Bishop of Rome".

    There were always disagreements within the Universal Church and Arius was one of those (like Martin Luther) a priest who thought he knew better. This stuff was happening in the 4th century, but there was no schism back then between East and West (at least I am not aware of one at that time) so I assume this problem eventually worked itself out.

    But I ask you, where is this "Creed of Antioch" extolling the virtues of Arianism today? No where to be found that's for sure. Neither the Western Rite nor the Eastern Orthodox profess it and until you brought it up I had never heard of it. In God's world, heresies have a habit of dying and this one did indeed pass away.



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    And this is why I am a preterist.[/QUOTE]
    So do you believe all prophesies have already happened or at least , most of them?
     
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    There's no Scriptural authority for either a pope or cardinals. They're MAN-MADE offices. And, given that popes are human, they're as fallible as anyone else.
     
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    The 'queena hevvin" thingie is just a continuation of the old "mystery, babylon" religion invented by Nimrod & Semiramis, with "ary being placed in Sem's place as queen of heaven.

    "It's Only Make-Believe!"
    -Conway Twitty
     
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    So do you believe all prophesies have already happened or at least , most of them?[/QUOTE]

    Preterism is also phony as a Ford Corvette. History and reality prove this.
     
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    We're getting away from the point of this thread: that SCRIPTURE is now the highest authority we have on earth for all matters of faith/worship.

    To prove otherwise, all any doubter of the above statement need do is show us any authority which can successfully go against Scripture officially, or officially add to it or subtract from it. Simple, huh?
     
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    'Pope' means 'father' (contra Matthew 23:9). But my point is that there was no Roman Catholic Church and Julius was not recognized and head of anything but the church at Rome.

    The first person to claim the blasphemous name of 'pope' was Leo in the 5th Century.
     
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    Most will agree if you add "currently".
     
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    So do you believe all prophesies have already happened or at least , most of them?[/QUOTE]

    Yes, I believe all prophecies have been fulfilled, though not all future personal events, of course. The Parousia of Christ has already come upon us. There is no future Millennium. There is a present Kingdom now and forever.

    What is still future is that we all will still die and Christians will be with Christ. "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord".
     
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    You just put the Bible below "history" and "reality". If you really believed the Bible is the highest authority you would have quoted it as your first response. You should change your OP to "The Bible is the third most authoritative source in all matters of faith and practice."

    History and the interpretation of reality are subject to interpretation of fallible humans. The Bible not so.
     
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