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First of all Jewish is not the name of Christ's religion so don't get on your high horse and act like you are being victimized for your LACK of clarity. And you don't say .....concerning what scripture says a true Jew is. You brought up Torah as if Christians don't use it or don't see the lessons of it. No discussion of banking system in the OP. Lastly no one attacked your belief in Yeshua but asked if you believe IN YESHUA big difference. As for having some excuse of belief , I don't know you from a hill of beans and I do not have to believe anything from you, especially one who can not even read basic English .

 

You have no clue carry on, I am moving on .

 

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Y'all can bone up on all these different descriptions that Hank talked about so no one will be left behind... Step aside Christian when my Lord comes again... I'm going home... Brother Glen

 

Apologies, this will be a bit lengthy...but you're getting used to that, I imagine.


" And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." ( Matthew 24:3-5 )

With respect, when did the underlined and bolded parts happen?
Not yet, from my perspective....except for the last verse.
To me, we've living in that time of false christs and false prophets, and have been for quite some time.

David Koresh, many others come to mind.

" And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows." ( Matthew 24:6-8 )

I see the underlined above happening right now.

" Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." ( Matthew 24:9-14 )

The underlined in verse 9 has happened and is still happening, as I see it.
Verse 11 is happening right now.
Verse 14 is happening right now...and will happen until the end.

" When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains:
17 let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. "( Matthew 24:15-22 )

Here's what I see, just down to here:

Jesus begins the passage by speaking about the end of the world and His second coming, because the disciples specifically asked Him about it.
He then gives a sequential, step-by-step set of events that will happen, starting with many coming in His name and saying they are the Christ.
There will be wars and rumors of wars.
Nation shall rise against nation...nothing new here. This has been happening for centuries.
Believers shall be delivered up to be afflicted ( tortured ) and killed...sounds a lot like the "Protestant Reformation" and the Inquisitions, if you ask me.
They shall be hated by all nations. Sounds like the day in which we live.
Skipping down to verse 14, the Gospel shall be preached in all the world for a witness...and THEN shall the end come.

He then proceeds to tell them that when believers shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the Holy Place ( Daniel 9:27 ), then they that are in Judea should flee to the mountains.

After all of the above, with the abomination of desolation taking place, then shall great tribulation take place.
During that tribulation, there will no flesh be saved except those days be shortened...for the elects' sake.
If not for God's children being present on the earth, no human beings would be left alive.

Haven't see that yet.

" Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. " ( Matthew 24:23-31 )


I haven't seen the Lord come ( as all eyes will see Him ).
So, there must not have been a tribulation such as the world has never seen yet...
Because immediately after the tribulation, He shall come.
As He's coming down, He sends His angels to gather His elect from the four corners of the earth and from one end of Heaven to the other.


That's why I'm not "pre-trib", nor do I believe in a " two part second coming", like J.N. Darby taught.
As for "amillenial", that's another lengthy post that I won't get into.

The way I see this saying, it's all sequential, with Matthew 24 and Mark 13 being the framework in which most of the end-time prophecies happen, including most of Revelation.



May God bless you all.

 

Ah, it doesn't have to be. You could take 'the time is at hand', and, 'shortly come to pass', and, 'some of you will not taste of death', and, 'this generation shall not pass away', and 'I come quickly', and, 'in a very little while', etc., at their face value and be done with it.

 

Oh, I do.
But I also take Matthew 24 and go through it methodically, being careful to see the words in context, noting every time He says, "then"...


To me, it's amazing what the very words on the page have to say, my friend.


Yes, the time is at hand ( very near ).
Yes, I agree that what He was saying would shortly come to pass, that He would come quickly and that He would be here in a very little while... from God's perspective ( 2 Peter 3:8 ) .
Yes, John did not taste of death ( Matthew 16:27 ) before Christ revealed to him the details of His coming in the book of Revelation ( Revelation 1:1 ). Peter mentioned His coming as well ( 1 Peter 1:13 ), but it's not written that he ever had a dream or a vision about it. Paul saw some things ( 2 Corinthians 12:1-4 ), and the Lord gave Him a thorn in the flesh for it. But I don't see him standing there with Jesus when that statement was made in Matthew 16:27.
Yes, "this generation" ( the generation that will be present at the time of the Tribulation ) would not pass away until all the things are fulfilled.


He really is close, and I look for Him right after Anti-Christ shows himself...Three and a half years, more or less.
It's going to get bumpy for us for that 3.5 years...most of us will die, I think ( Revelation 13:5-8 ).
The rest will live to see Him come ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17 ), and it will be something to see...a sight like no other.




A very good evening to you, sir.

 

I agree Kentucky and then there is this one that we have hash and rehashed on this board since I've been here... Anything against Christ is Ant-Christ!... Brother Glen

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

 

No, that's completely wrong. The antichrist, also known as the "beast, man of sin, that Wicked" will be ONE MAN. he will have a miracle-working false prophet as his deputy. He will assemble a great empire, also called a beast, as per Rev. 17. Scripture says no man can overcome that man, while Napoleon once overthrew a pope(Pius VI) in 1798.

Scripture plainly says the marka the beast will be placed in the right hand or the forehead. My debit & credit cards are definitely not embedded in any of my body parts. And the tech already exists for implantable microchips that could replace those cards. I believe that'll be the marka the beast.

Interest is NOT unlawful.(Usury IS. Max interest rates are set by law.) Jesus didn't kick the money changers outta the temple for charging interest; He kicked them out for conducting business on temple grounds.

Scripture also plainly says the 144K will be Israelis, giving the names of the tribes. (The Jews will have a triple share, as they consist of 3 trimes.)

The rapture will occur shortly after the beast comes to power, I believe. He will have a ready explanation for the vanishing of millions of people, which the world will accept. The great trib will begin shortly after the beast commits the "abomination of desolation" in the new temple in Jreusalem by setting up his statue in it & declaring himself to be God.

 

Well said, Glen.

 

there was a banking system in the Roman empire & in several other places before Jesus came, & he didn't denounce it. He used money, same as His disciples did. (Remember, he paid Roman taxes & I'm certain He gave offerings to the temple or to synagogues in various towns.)

The banking system is not of itself evil. It's MISUSE of it that's evil. For that matter, even barter can be evilly used; a merchant could barter out fake jewels, etc.

If you read the New Testament, how come you ignore the plain writing that the mark will be placed on the right hand or forehead? And if the AC is the line of popes, which one entered the temple in Jerusalem & declared himself to be God?????????????????

That malarkey gave rise to another false doctrine, the doctrine of preterism. the Spanish Jesuit Alcazar expanded that false doctrine to try to shield his pope from being labeled the antichrist. False begets false.

I suggest you PAY ATTENTION to what you read anywhere in the Bible.

 

MMRRPP ! WRONG !

I suggest you do a reality check.

No, Revelation is largely LITERAL Its symbolism is largely explained, as in Ch. 17 where the angel who showed John the vision then explains it We see the AC will form an empire made up mostly of nations & peoples that were once in the Roman & Holy Roman empires. And we know that hasn't happened yet. We see in history that Napoleon, the Hapsburgs, & Mussolini all tried to assemble a new Roman empire, but failed.

And again, try reading the Scriptures CLOSELY, without adding private interps to them. For example, deut. 20:39 sez not to charge one's BROTHER any interest. That is, Israelis loaning to Israelis were not to charge them interest. But they could charge interest to GENTILES. Most of the Torah laws pertain to how Israelis are to treat other israelis. (Naturally, some laws, such as those prohibiting theft or murder pertain to all.)

Rapture? God PLAINLY had it written that the true Church will escape the great trib, & Paul plainly wrote of that coming event.

Appears that you're picking-n-choosing among Scriptures, bypassing or ignoring those that don't fit your goofy theories. you're forgetting that JESUS modified many of the laws. For example, the Torah says adulterers are to be executed, but JESUS offers them forgiveness for their sins.(Remember the Johannine Pericope about the adulteress caught in the act!) Of course, UNFORGIVEN adulterers will die the 2nd death of eternity in gehenna, so Jesus certainly didn't abolish that law!

As for the 4th beast of Daniel, I agree it was Rome. But Revelation takes it farther, stating that an 8th kingdom, that of the beast, will arise from the remains of the 7th. (The 6th Rev kingdom was Rome; the 7th, the Holy Roman Empire, hadn't then come.) and we know the HRE was made from the old Roman empire. Thus, the 8th will be made largely from those nations & peoples. I suggest you study some history.

Your whole nest of theories is just a private interp odf Scripture. By not believing Scripture LITERALLY AS POSSIBLE, you leave it open for private interps with which people can make it say whatever they wish.

And in no way did the angel give John any other explanation about the mark of the beast. Therefore, it MUST be believed as literal. And again, Jesus did NOT condemn the banking system. What the mark will do is place it under the beast's control so he can control all commerce thru it.

 

Weren't you banned for denying the diety of Christ, under the username teknonoftheos?

 

Beats me. I just saw where you're linking to "studies" on that wisdomofgod website, same as teknonoftheos, and that was the reason he was banned.

If you aren't Christian Gaviria Alvarez, accept my apologies.