Free Will Origin of Sin

Lastly, good sir:

I'm sorry, but from my perspective, you are rejecting His words.
God's word says that those who reject His words ( not mine, His ) are not His ( John 8:47, John 10:27 )

Are you His?
Then accept His words:

" He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." ( John 1:11-13 )

Mankind's will does not determine his destiny...
There is no way to get into God's grace by performing an action or set of actions.
It's a lie.
It's not Scriptural.
It's an illusion, and a very skillfully contrived one.
God determines a person's destiny, by His grace and mercy, and we ( all of us ) are responsible for disobeying Him... making whatever He chooses, right and just.
That is precisely what makes it of grace, and not of works.

Does that seem harsh to you?
Holiness ( lack of sin ) is harsh to those who are used to sinning ( Jeremiah 13:23 ).
Mankind thinks that Hell ( everlasting punishment ) is too harsh for something that gives them such pleasure...the pain just doesn't seem fitting, somehow.

But God says that it is.
Argue with Him if you want to.
I'm not, and I wouldn't ( Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:5, Hebrews 10:31 ).
I love Him for bothering with my worthless hide ( 1 John 4:19 ), and for telling me what He saved me from...me and my own stubborn will, and Him and his eternal wrath.




This is my final reply to you on this subject, sir.
I've presented all that I am able to, over these past many weeks, to help explain to you what I see when I read God's word.




May God bless you richly.

 

Israel's choice had already been made by them when? What are you talking about! Sorry Dave you in your posts it seems you roll out a whole bunch of words which lack connection in any meaningful way about what we're even talking about.

Look if we're talking about a human beings capabilities that God gave you can't just say God gave the nation of Israel CHOICE or the ability to choose and because the nation by and large chose wrongly that therefore means that demonstrates what human capabilities are. What about all the people of Israel that chose rightly. How can you cut them out of the equation like you have?

I suppose because they don't fit your theological mode so you don't even refer to them as if they existed. What about Peter, James and John and many of all the disciples. What about Jeremiah and all the hosts of many prophets and righteous people along the way? No one from Israel chose rightly?

I respectfully suggest you continue in your readings.

 

OK, I see something like that in His word.
To me, man's will extends exactly as far as God's will allows him ( Proverbs 16:9 ).
Where do you see that in His word?

Call it an exercise...
"What do we believe, and why do we believe it?"

I definitely agree.
Again, where do you see that in Scripture?

OK, I can see some of that as well ( Matthew 7:11, Luke 11:13 ).

As believers, or unbelievers?
Who is this privilege of learning from our mistakes towards God ( repentance ) extended to, if mankind, as a whole, doesn't learn from their mistakes towards God ( Proverbs 1:7, Proverbs 12:1, Proverbs 15:32 )?

Who is the subject here ( Galatians 6:1-10 )?
Believers or unbelievers?

I also agree that those who sow wickedness shall reap the same ( Job 4:8 )
Who sows wickedness?

Where do you see, In His word, that God wants the best for all of mankind?
Where do you see, in Scripture, that God will not intrude on man's free will?

 

Eph 2:1 KJV - And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Christians were separated from God (spiritually dead) because of their trespasses and sins. Christians have been quickened (made spiritually alive) by the grace of God. Christians are not sinless (dead to sin) but do not suffer the consequences of their sins.

 

Gen 3:13 KJV - And the LORD God said unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Her decision was influenced by the serpent.

Christians decisions should be influenced by the Holy Spirit and all of God's revelation to us Christians.

I believe "free will" philosophy is a hoax perpetrated by Satan.

 

Rom 9:14 KJV - What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 KJV - For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 KJV - So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

 

Brief and to-the-point.
Not long-winded and detailed like my posts...


Eventually, I'll learn to emulate my elders.

Yes, He will.


May God bless you in abundance, Wesley.

 

Satan was changeable. Satan chose to change.

Adam was changeable. Adam chose to change.

The word is, 'mutable'.

A mutable Created Angel chose to change.

A mutable Created human chose to change.

Both of these instances of 'mutability'
are pointing to the Contrast and Illustrative of God's Attribute of 'Immutability'.

The sin of Adam plunged the capacity of his soul
into a state of being, 'dead, in trespasses and sins".

God Had Predicted this Fall of Adam when He told Adam,
"In the Day you eat, thereof, you will surely die."

Adam's 'death' the day he sinned against God's Command was 'Spiritual'.

As a human being with that lost Nature, Adam Gave Birth, through Eve,
to an entire Race of sinners, having a Spiritually Dead lost Nature.

Genesis 5:3: "And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years,
and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image;
and called his name Seth:"

Seth was born 'after the likeness' of Adam, i.e., a sinner.

Romans 5:12; "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world,
and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men,
for that all have sinned:"

There can be equivocation to Satan's and Adam's Created 'mutable' state,
to Satan's state after he sinned, which is Forever Doomed,
HAVING ZERO CAPABILITY, or HOPE of 'Redemption ( Being 'Re-Judged')
or to Adam's state after he sinned, which was Doomed,
HAVING ZERO CAPABILITY, or HOPE of 'Redemption ( Being 'Re-Judged')
Apart from the Intervention into his Doomed soul
of the Supernatural Reality of The Spiritual New Birth.

As God's Elect Chosen child, from Eternity Past,
Adam was Shown the Message of Blood Sacrifice,
in the Making of their clothes, from the sacrifice of animals.

Adam was Given a Re-Generated, Born Again soul
and was 'Redeemed' by The Blood of Jesus ( 'Re-Judged',
by God Looking at What Jesus Was to Do for him).

EITHER: ADAM was DEAD in Trespasses and Sins, or NOT.

If Adam was Dead, Spiritually, in Trespasses and Sins,
AS GOD PREDICTED HE WOULD BE,
then that Death and sin nature
with NO CAPABILITY to CHOOSE ANYTHING EXCEPT TO SIN,
was Passed on to every human being born of a mother.

Salvation is of The Lord.

Jesus is The Savior.

NNE HAS ANY CAPABILITY to 'CHOOSE' ANYTHING BUT to SIN,
as NATURAL BORN, GOD-HATING, SINNERS.

To blindly propose otherwise is simply PROOF of the sin nature at work,
under, by the way, the influence of the Fallen Angel, Satan.

Romans 8:7; "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:
for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."

1 Corinthians 2:14; "But the natural man receiveth not
the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

 

Thank you for these kind and encouraging words.

 

TCassidy, Oh, O.K., thank you, very much. With your indication that this path has already been well-trodden, to no avail; I heartily receive your admonition and allow the Lord to Minister to me,

from Titus 3:9-11; "avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

10 "A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject;

11 "Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."

Praise Jesus,
Thanks again,
Alan

 

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