Featured How was Christ Forsaken?

yes, we are in condemnation that is why we need salvation

 

Same reason Jesus died upon the Cross, in order to bring glory to Him!

 

God the father could not have fellowship at that time when Jesus became the Sin Bearer, as God and sins cannot co exist with each other, as God is Holy, and nothing impure can be in His sight!

 

Jesus experein ced the final state of lost sinners, he faced hell while upon that Cross....

 

Jesus himself shows He was forsaken

Mar 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsakenme?
egkataleipō separation

 

how does that being glory except in redeeming sinners

 

that is right

 

How about moving towards what Pauline theology defines foe us Jesus accomplished while upon that Cross?

 

Oh boy! You really don't understand at all! To talk about God forsaking but not abandoning is simply playing with words.
From the Oxford Concise Dictionary.
Forsake v.t. Give up, break off from, renounce, withdraw one's help, friendship or companionship from, desert, abandon.
Abandon v.t. Give up to another's control or mercy, yield one(self) completely to a passion or impulse, give up (possession, habit, game), forsake.
The two words, in the context we have them in these Bible verses, are synonyms.

Amen!

This is just arrogant nonsense, and you know it. I can put the same thing back to you with brass knobs on. Until you, @JonC, find yourself able to see the text itself, without reading into it, without "seeing something that isn't there" I don't see that a discussion is to be had. We will only talk in circles because I actually believe that you see your philosophy in the text.
So stop the infantile posturing, and either get to grips with the Bible or leave the discussion for someone more able to conduct.

 

This is a very important text, and tomorrow I will deal with it in a little depth (it's bed-time in Britain now). But do you see where you have altered the text (accidentally, I hope!)? The word in verse 24 is 'tree' (Gk. xulon), not 'cross' (Gk. stauros). This is hugely important to a proper understanding of what was going on at Calvary. Compare with Galatians 3:13.

 

You don't have to. Psalm 22:1 and the Matthew and Mark passages are quite sufficient. There on the cross, the Son was forsaken for that period by the Father, with all that being forsaken entails. Trying to find a more pejorative word does not help you avoid the obvious meaning of the texts.

 

I have to disagree, sir:

"But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him." ( Luke 12:5 )

" And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth." ( Revelation 6:8 )

" And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." ( Revelation 20:13-14 )

Hell is real, and both it and death will be cast into the Lake of Fire.
That, is the second death...when all those who were in Hell are cast into the Lake of Fire, that burns forever.


There are people experiencing Hell right now.