How was Christ Forsaken?

[Yeshua1]

Is there a verse that uses this dualistic way of viewing Christ?

I ask because what I often read ("the Word became flesh", He came "in the likeness of sinful flesh", "He shared in our infirmity", etc) all seem to deny that view.

I am looking forward to the Scripture you will provide.

John

was Jesus in His humanity sinless, or corrupted/tainted by the fall of Adam?

 

[loDebar]

was Jesus in His humanity sinless, or corrupted/tainted by the fall of Adam?

Sin is not physical or inherited but spiritual

Eze 18:20

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Mat 5:28

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

 

[Yeshua1]

Sin is not physical or inherited but spiritual

Eze 18:20

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Mat 5:28

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

All humans ever born, except for Jesus, had the ole sin nature as part of their make up!

 

[loDebar]

Where did Adam get his?

 

[JonC]

was Jesus in His humanity sinless, or corrupted/tainted by the fall of Adam?

Please provide a verse that adds the qualifier "in his humanity" or "in his divinity". Also, if you don't mind, please provide the passage that states our nature is "tainted" by the "fall" of Adam. Please provide a verse that states Adam's nature was in fact changed.

Thank you.

 

[Yeshua1]

Please provide a verse that adds the qualifier "in his humanity" or "in his divinity". Also, if you don't mind, please provide the passage that states our nature is "tainted" by the "fall" of Adam. Please provide a verse that states Adam's nature was in fact changed.

Thank you.

Remember that Adam had his eyes opened, by now knowing Good and evil, and had now broken fellowship with God and now needed to have the ultimate sacrifice of the Messiah come to pay the sin dent to God?

And the Orthodox Church always has held that Jesus, via the Virgin Birth , was able to bypass the taint and effect of original Sin caused by the fall of Adam, and was the second Adam, sinless in His own humanity, just as Adam was when created!

 

[loDebar]

Remember that Adam had his eyes opened, by now knowing Good and evil, and had now broken fellowship with God and now needed to have the ultimate sacrifice of the Messiah come to pay the sin dent to God?

yes, you also had your eyes opened to understand what was right and wrong and became to understand you need a relationship to God

Jesus said if the flesh offend you cut it off rather than risk hell. an easy proof of the importance of the flesh vs eternity

 

[JonC]

Remember that Adam had his eyes opened, by now knowing Good and evil, and had now broken fellowship with God and now needed to have the ultimate sacrifice of the Messiah come to pay the sin dent to God?

And the Orthodox Church always has held that Jesus, via the Virgin Birth , was able to bypass the taint and effect of original Sin caused by the fall of Adam, and was the second Adam, sinless in His own humanity, just as Adam was when created!

This is not Scripture. Adam became like God knowing good and evil. Are you saying God is "corrupt", "tainted"?

Do you not have a passage you can reference to prove your statements?

 

[Yeshua1]

yes, you also had your eyes opened to understand what was right and wrong and became to understand you need a relationship to God

Jesus said if the flesh offend you cut it off rather than risk hell. an easy proof of the importance of the flesh vs eternity

Before he became a sinner, Adam had perfect relationship to and with God, but sinned wreaked that!

 

[Yeshua1]

This is not Scripture. Adam became like God knowing good and evil. Are you saying God is "corrupt", "tainted"?

Do you not have a passage you can reference to prove your statements?

Are you saying that the Bible does not teach that we are now born fallen, with sin natures?

 

[JonC]

Before he became a sinner, Adam had perfect relationship to and with God, but sinned wreaked that!

No one said otherwise.

But did Adam's nature itself change - if so, provide a verse.

 

[JonC]

Are you saying that the Bible does not teach that we are now born fallen, with sin natures?

I am asking you to provide a passage proving that Adam's nature itself changed, and that Jesus did not have a human nature like ours but instead like Adam had before he sinned.

 

[Yeshua1]

I am asking you to provide a passage proving that Adam's nature itself changed, and that Jesus did not have a human nature like ours but instead like Adam had before he sinned.

So you do deny that we are born with sin natures, due to the original sin of Adam!

 

[loDebar]

Remember that Adam had his eyes opened, by now knowing Good and evil, and had now broken fellowship with God and now needed to have the ultimate sacrifice of the Messiah come to pay the sin dent to God?

And the Orthodox Church always has held that Jesus, via the Virgin Birth , was able to bypass the taint and effect of original Sin caused by the fall of Adam, and was the second Adam, sinless in His own humanity, just as Adam was when created!

Adam was not sinless, he was counted innocent until he sinned as a physical being. He was also spiritual.

Jesus was sinless , because He was God (spiritually) as He was man physically.
The Virgin birth cannot apply to sin because we do not get our souls through physical birth and our souls sin,

Read Ezekial 18:20 again, we do not bear the iniquity of our fathers,,, so did not get Adam's sin or iniquity

 

[loDebar]

So you do deny that we are born with sin natures, due to the original sin of Adam!

just to throw in , we were born sinners, but not because of Adam

 

[Yeshua1]

Adam was not sinless, he was counted innocent until he sinned as a physical being. He was also spiritual.

Jesus was sinless , because He was God (spiritually) as He was man physically.
The Virgin birth cannot apply to sin because we do not get our souls through physical birth and our souls sin,

Read Ezekial 18:20 again, we do not bear the iniquity of our fathers,,, so did not get Adam's sin or iniquity

Zeke had NOTHING to say about original Sin, nor the fall ands us being corrupted, as his point was that God will look at individual acts, to judge if one is to be killed for a capital crime or not!

 

[Yeshua1]

just to throw in , we were born sinners, but not because of Adam

God judged and found us all guilty in Adam!

 

[loDebar]

Zeke had NOTHING to say about original Sin, nor the fall ands us being corrupted, as his point was that God will look at individual acts, to judge if one is to be killed for a capital crime or not!

are you saying individual iniquities of the fathers are born by sons ?

If individual sins are judged , why should I be judged for another's sins?

(actually is was not just capital crimes but all sins)

as shown earlier, Jesus said we sin in our hearts, when our bodies do nothing.

 

[Yeshua1]

are you saying individual iniquities of the fathers are born by sons ?

If individual sins are judged , why should I be judged for another's sins?

(actually is was not just capital crimes but all sins)

as shown earlier, Jesus said we sin in our hearts, when our bodies do nothing.

Sin is weaved into our very thoughts and into our flesh itself, as the fall corrupted and affects all aspects of us!

 

[loDebar]

God judged and found us all guilty in Adam!

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