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Your third option is nonsensical because Adam was made of "flesh" and yet he was not "spiritually dead" at least prior to the sin event. Since, our "flesh" all comes from Adam then when did it transition from being not "spiritually dead" to becoming "spiritually dead" and WHAT WAS THE JUST GROUNDS FOR THAT TRANSITION?

 

I was sad to see the misuse of the funny rating. I do not see anything funny about what you have posted. It seems there is a crowd that wants to misuse certain ratings in order to communicate their disagreement with posts. In doing so some of the ratings have been taken away. I see it as childish to misuse them that way.

As far as your op Romans 6:23 comes to mind.

 

Romans 6:23 also speaks to spiritual death

 

I'll let @JonC speak for himself and clarify, but i believe this is the gist of what he is saying

Adam was born with flesh, Soul, spirit--one that was not "Spiritual". It was not "union-ized" With Christ.

Because Adam sinned, Judgment came upon all the world. One of those Judgments was death, Physical death. A separation of one's body from their soul and spirit.

Adam was never "infused" with the Presence of God. So, we share the same condition as Adam, "dead" in our trespasses and sins. We are separated from the Presence of God--meaning we are not Spiritual. And because Adam took on shame and guilt, we too bear the shame and guilt of Adam's sin. That's why death has passed on from Adam to Moses without the law.

What happens to those who remain "Spiritually dead" or "Not Alive-in-Christ"? They go to the lake of fire, the second death.

It is appointed to men once to die, and then the judgment. All die Physically, but only those who are not Spiritually alive will die the second death--the lake of fire.

Those who are Christ's, are made alive and Receive His Life. The Only Life there is.

In Adam, God shows us that there is no life apart from Life with God.

 

Your view is based upon inference as much as my view as you have no scripture that denies it. Genesis 2:17 says he "died" when he ate and so we know that death had its entrance at that point. You argue that did not include death in the form of "dead in tresspasses and sins" or being "spiritually dead." I argue it does include death in all of its forms and expressions all the way up to the second death.

 

It was directly unionized with God as it came directly from God. Can you name anyone directly infused (Lit. Heb. "inspirited") directly by God's Spirit???? Adam was!

Is one form of death "dead in sins" or existing as "spirituallly dead"? If not, from whence did this form of death originate? Or now are you denying spiritual deadness exists?

So you are saying "dead' with reference to the spirit means non-existent spirit? If that is the case, why didn't Paul say that our spirit is simply non-existent rather than "dead IN tresspasses and sins" or in the sphere of sin?

 

I believe Paul was using an illustration to convey a certain truth, that spiritual death is a figure of speach to convey that we are dead to God because of our separation from Him. It's like we don't exist to Him and yet not really dead. Just considered dead. Paul said;

Rom 8:10 and if Christ is in you, the body, indeed, is dead because of sin, and the Spirit is life because of righteousness,

This is a picture of the flesh after Christ is in you. As you can see the body is dead and the spirit is alive.
Although each time we sin the body springs to life again then we have to die to that sin.
Rom 8:13 for if according to the flesh ye do live, ye are about to die; and if, by the Spirit, the deeds of the body ye put to death, ye shall live;

MB

 

What scripture denies spiritual death? NONE - hence reasoning from silence.

What scripture do you have for this except in the context of those already dead in sin? NONE - hence reasoning from silence.

 

You know that is really not what I said. I said we both are arguing on inference but my position has far greater scriptures to support my inference, whereas, your inference is contradicts scriptures galore.

 

Uh no sorry it is not simply second death. I think you need to study what spiritual death actually is.

 

If the spirit in fallen man is non-existent how can it be re-born? or "re-generated if it is non-existent?

So, "dead in tresspasses and sins" simply means non-existent spirit due to sin? So, sin destroyed, annihilated the human spirit into nothingness?

 

It is existent--but no communion/union

No, it means they are not spiritually alive--no communion/fellowship with Christ.