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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Logos1560, Feb 5, 2019.

  1. Logos1560

    Logos1560 Well-Known Member
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    You fail to discuss and answer what I actually stated. Your improper tactic is to try to put words in my mouth that I did not say. You try to misrepresent and distort my sound, scripturally-based acceptance of all that the Scriptures teach about themselves.

    The preserved Scriptures are just as trustworthy today as they were before 1611.
     
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    See you can’t post without calling me a liar
     
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    Your allegation is not true since I did not do what you allege. You also did not quote my entire statement.

    You have an incorrect opinion of what it means when someone else disagrees with a claim or statement that you make and thinks that your claim may be incorrect or mistaken.
     
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    Can any KJV defenders here present and discuss a clear, consistent, sound, scriptural view of Bible preservation (a scripturally-based view that would be true both before and after 1611)?

    As a defender of the KJV as what it actually is, I presented my scripturally-based observations concerning preservation. If any of my observations are not in agreement with what the Scriptures teach, no KJV-only advocate has demonstrated it.

    Can KJV defenders demonstrate that they actually accept and apply justly what the Scriptures state and teach concerning preservation?

    Without defining the term preservation and without showing that they use the term scripturally, consistently, soundly, and justly, do some KJV defenders make unproven, unjust accusations against believers who accept what the Scriptures teach concerning preservation?

    Do KJV defenders consistently advocate exact-word preservation or jot-and-tittle preservation and do they in effect change the kind of preservation when they try to use the term for the KJV?

    Do those who try to use the term preserved exclusively concerning one Bible translation (the KJV) in effect change or redefine Biblical preservation to a sense of "message", "thought," or "dynamic-equivalent" preservation?
     
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    The KJV translators acknowledged that they engaged in a process of Bible correcting [that is, making corrections, improvements, and revisions to the pre-1611 English Bibles which they identified as being the word of God], and later editors/printers engaged in a process of Bible correcting in making some corrections and revisions to the 1611 edition of the KJV.

    The KJV translators maintained that if anything in a Bible translation was "not so agreeable to the original, the same may be corrected."

    In their 1611 preface to the readers, the KJV translators wrote: "For by this means it cometh to pass, that whatsoever is sound already (and all is sound for substance in one or other of other editions, and the worst of ours far better than their authentic vulgar) the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also, if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the original, the same may be corrected and the truth set in place."

    The KJV translators also asserted: "No cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it. For what ever was perfect under the sun, where apostles or apostolike men, that is, men endued with an extraordinary measure of God's Spirit, and privileged with the privilege of infallibility, had not their hand?"
     
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    I was once KJVO big time and supported Peter Ruckman and his doctrine of "double inspiration" and "advanced revelation".

    Double Inspiration - attributing the KJ translators with the same inspiration in translating the KJV into 1611 English as possessed by the prophets and apostles in recording the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic of the Old and New Testaments.
    Insomuch that the KJV English is superior to the Greek and Hebrew.

    I no longer hold that position.

    Advanced Revelation: much more elusive - any "mistakes" in the KJV are actually "advanced revelation (sic)".
    See this blurb: Advanced Revelation - AV1611 Bible Forum Archive

    I no longer hold that position either.

    I trust the Byzantine text over the older Alexandrian text and prefer English Bibles translated from the Byzantine family.

    I chose the Scrivener Greek New Testament (Textus Receptus - 1895) as the preserved text of the New Testament.
     
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    The preservation unto us was in the Hebrews and Greek source texts!
     
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    God preserved to us in order to have various language translations the Hebrew and Greek texts sources, and he did NOT inspire any translation team in order to make a perfect English translation, as the 1611 hold with!
    Which Kjv versions actually though used the 1894 Greek text that you favor, as main Kjv revision believe was in 1769?
     
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    God didn’t keep his promise ? He promised his word to all generations. He knew not all generations would speak Hebrew and Greek.
     
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    He knew that there would be translators able to use those Hebrew and Greek texts in order to make a bible in their own language!
     
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    What chapter and verse supports that theory ?
     
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    The original words of the Lord were all in Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek, not 1611 Kjv English!
     
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    God Couldn’t give us his word preserved in English ?
     
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    Yes, but He choose to have it translated into English instead!
     
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    Which preserved English Bible is it ?
     
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    Any that was done in an acceptable fashion, so take your pick, Kjv, Nkjv, Nas, Esv, Niv etc all are the word of God to us in English!
     
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    ...and 'Heretic Hunter' bestows yet another 'Winner' on the accuser.

    Forever Settled the accuser.

    More accusing along with mind reading.

    Another blatant false accusation by Forever Settled the accuser. In no way did he call you a liar.
     
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    Looks like the Kjvo are coming back to us now!
     
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    He keeps it up and I'm gonna start reporting his posts. I always warn before reporting a post, he's now been warned.
     
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    That can’t be right they all use different manuscripts .....and say completly different things.
     
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