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Masonry It Really Is A Religion

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  1. Jerome

    Jerome Well-Known Member
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    Their $$$ can fund your theological education though:

    SBTS • Scholarships
     
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    Many of those men were 30-32 degree masons (33 degree is an honary degree sublect for a new thread . )

    Those men in 30 degree or higher have been told this :

    That which we must say to a crowd is—We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition.

    To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees—The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine.


    If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god.

    For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive.

    Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.

    Albert Pike, "Instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World" (July 14, 1889), as recorded by Abel Clarin de La Rive, La Femme et l'Enfant dans la Franc-maçonnerie Universelle (1894): 588.

    They know yet don’t denounce it .......pastors deacons SS teachers are guilty.......as well as society leaders .
     
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    It dosen’t matter they are guilty of bowing at the altar of Baal in violation of Gods word.

    You might want to check this response out :

    Masonry It Really Is A Religion
     
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    Oh, i agree. Guilt by WILFUL association is evil.

    A dues payer only however will probably receive fewer stripes.
    To be a lodge or temple loyal participant I believe will have a greater or different consequence in the hereafter.
     
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    When I was obtaining KJV editions for comparison, I obtained a 1940 A. J. Holman KJV edition, printed in Philadelphia. It turned out that it was a Masonic Edition of the KJV.

    Its title page stated:
    "Masonic Edition
    Temple-Illustrated

    The Holy Bible
    The Great Light in Masonry
    containing the Old and New Testaments
    According to the Authorized or King James Version together with Illuminated Frontispiece, presentation and record pages and helps to the Masonic Student."

    On the copyright page, it has copyright dates in 1924, 1925, 1929, 1930, 1933, 1935, 1939, 1940
    so several editions of it may have been printed.

    On one page, the heading is "A Masonic Creed"

    Under the heading "The Masonic Belief," the following is stated:

    There is one God, the Father of all men.
    The Holy Bible is the Great Light in Masonry, and the Rule and Guide for faith and practice.
    Man is immortal.
    Character determines destiny.
    Love of man is, next to love of God, man's first duty.
    Prayer, communion of man with God, is helpful.
    Recognizing the impossibility of confining the teaching of Masonry to any fixed forms of expression, yet acknowledging the value of authoritative statements of fundamental principles, the following is proclaimed as

    The Masonic Teaching"
     
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    According to the playbook of a few KJV-only advocates at some forums, one tactic has been to focus on and attack Masonry and then claim that it is occultic and Satanic.
    Then later an attempt will be made to link or associate present English Bible translations to these accusations or claims relating to Masons.

    Then by use of fallacies such as the fallacy of false dilemma, it may be suggested that Bible-believers have to choose to be KJV-only since the only alterative is bad.
     
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    There is no doubt that many honorable men were masons and no doubt that masonry is a model of men who choose good works as a way of life witnessed by their hospitals and other charitable organizations.

    I was greatly helped by masonry as a teenager when my stepfather was incarcerated for the crime of counterfeiting US money.

    While he was in prison we (my mother and my siblings) were the envy of the block of our housing project with innumerable gifts and help from the masons especially at the holidays.
    We were among the few that actually had a turkey on Thanksgiving, sometimes more than one.

    My stepfather was of an old masonic family and it was known by state officials.

    Having said that : Masonry is supposedly a light in this world,
    However there is competition.

    John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

    Hebrews 1:1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
    2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

    Choose.
     
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    I don't doubt that this was the experience of some who are/ were 30 degree or higher. I mentioned that I was a mason decades ago, and I can tell you that this was not my experience at all. From those I personally know it would surprise me (with a few exceptions) if this was their experience as well. I couldn't imagine a Christian agreeing with "Luciferian Doctrine" (except perhaps in the case of those who believe Satan a type of Christ).
     
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    It is also interesting that the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) are modeled off Freemasonry (probably because William Boyce was an active mason). I've never liked giving our children to secular organizations (when I was young the RA's were as active if not more so than the Boy Scouts.....even though I suppose even it was, at that time, a Christian "take" on the BSA)
     
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    Jon Have you ever repented and renounced masonry ?

    I can post multitudes of quotes where they clearly proclaim they are teaching Egyptian Luciferian doctrine...they proudly acknowledge that fact .

    They teach lucifer is the TRUE light .....Jesus is an imposter .
     
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    Yes, my stepfather adopted me and gave me his family name and was adamant that I join the Boy Scouts which I did.
    He came to the family meetings with me and encouraged me to stay loyal.

    There was talk of DeMolay but it never came to fruition.

    When I was about 15 I was sent by the Louisiana court to live in California with an aunt and uncle who changed my last name back to my biological fathers name. I had earned two badges but I lost interest in the Boy Scouts while in CA. It was there I turned rebellious (as do many teens).
     
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    As I've said, I left the organization decades ago and discourage Christians from even considering membership. I've not renounced "Egyptian Luciferian doctrine" because that would make be dishonest with God as it was not a part of my experience.

    I would encourage any Masons who come across this post to leave the lodge as it is not "Christian", and in fact detracts from the faith. At the same time I would urge those leaving the organization to do so honestly (by this I mean by being honest with God rather than trying to satisfy or please men). It is a lie to denounce what you never experienced to be true, so be careful. Be honest with yourself, God, and those who are in the lodge. You could be the example God uses to lead others away from masonry.
     
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    Freemasonry OWN sources claim an occultic tie in, as they will claim to have hidden knowledge about the true name of God, how the Jewish OT really means something else, how by observing their rules and rituals one can be prepared after death for the Great Lodge in the sky.
    They admit to God, but each lodge and member free to see Him as they see Fit, Allah, Buddha, Jesus etc
    No Christian should be part of this group!
     
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    Free masons claim to be following Lucifer, how much more occultic can they get?
     
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    You just respond to anything.
     
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    Give us some proof.
     
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    Seriously ? After all that Just I have posted in these three threads anybody who casually reads them has proof in the masons own words.

    Satan, as an enemy of God and his Kingdom, as an evil power seeking to tempt, deceive and destroy, does not exist. Mankind has merely “supposed” this. The usual Christian perception of Satan is merely a distortion of truth about Lucifer, “the Light Bearer,” who is actually good and the instrument of liberty, but generally misunderstood and maligned.
    “Lucifer, the Light Bearer! Strange and Mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with all its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!” (Albert Pike, “Morals and Dogma,” 19th Degree, p.321)


    You have been busy downplaying how sorry and anti true God of the Bible these devil worshippers are. .....they are DEVIL worshippers and we are warned about them in numerous places .

    Revelation 2:14-15
    14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

    They help sick kids and pass out turkeys and put on parades.....and worship Satan..
     
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    Post # 57!
     
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    You might want to comment on their plan of salvation thread I posted.....see if you can find Jesus in it ?

    They love parades...helping sick kids...passing out turkeys at thanksgiving......denying Christ.... worshipping the devil .

    Im sure you have read it but here is a link :

    Masonic Plan Of Redemption
     
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    Not all of them. This is what I am asking for - proof that all masons worship Satan.
    I did not see any mention of the worship of Satan in your post.

    Therefore the worship of some/many/most is in ignorance of any love of Satan.

    What? are free masons ignorant of the gospel not worth saving? If not why not?

    Were you not a slave to sin at one time?
     
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