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The Cure for Calvinism

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Ran the Man, Feb 26, 2019.

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  1. Ran the Man

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    Dude, I just quoted a link about his salary. As for his being a Jerkasaurus, there are plenty of posts on other forums.
     
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    What does bet worth have to do with anything?
     
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  3. Ran the Man

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    He used the gospel to get rich and live in luxury while most of the world lives without.
     
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    @Iconoclast

    I am ignoring your temper tantrum and false accusations because it is not relevant to the post except to say that you resort to insult and slander speaks to your character rather than the topic at hand. I suppose you do so because you have no legitimate answer (your claims fail).

    I will, however, note that this is one thing we have seen among some Calvinists. When cornered they act as rabid dogs - barking and biting rather than addressing the question.

    You could have simply said that you believe @Ran the Man has not expressed knowledge of or a lack of understanding in Calvinism. He simple attacked the theology without addressing its doctrine. I suppose you are intelligent enough, however, to see the hypocrisy in that as you did the same (falsely accusing me based on a fictious post that mysteriously disappeared).

    The point is you do not know if @Ran the Man understands Calvinism because he has not engaged its actual doctrines. You assume anyone who disagrees does so from a lack of understanding. That is a foolish assumption.

    You need to move from assuming things about people to dealing with what is actually posted. You should have challenged @Ran the Man on what he posted instead of attacking his character (which you don't know). That is the difference between dialogue and foolishness.
     
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    First, you used an uncited link that already reported a salary MUCH less than what you said he makes. Also, do you know where he lives? Los Angeles, CA. Do you know what the cost of living is in Los Angeles?

    MacArthur gets paid proportionately to his work. He made money off of hard work. Over 150 books edited or authored, some of which sold over 1,000,000 copies.

    That being said, let's talk about his salary and give you some perspective. He makes, according to your website, 160,000/yr. That is less than 1% of Grace to You's annual contributions alone. That doesn't include book revenue and church revenue plus the Master's Seminary revenue.

    So this idea that he gets paid a ridiculous amount of money holds no water and you need to bark up a different tree and know what you are talking about.
     
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    One correction, I would say how he is posting does show something of his character.
     
    #146 Reformed1689, Mar 1, 2019
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    For a look at university president salaries:
    Redirect Notice
     
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    That's assuming he is actually interested in reason.
     
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    I agree (for both @Ran the Man and @Iconoclast ).

    These discussions should be restricted to the doctrines (not what some Calvinists or non-Calvinists may have done or may have taught).

    Within Calvinism there is an interesting discussion about the extent of the atonement and what exactly was accomplished (in terms of an universal provision and a definite atonement). Between views there are interesting discussions about depravity, the extent of human will, the atonement, theories of atonement, how God works to bring men to faith, etc.

    It is a shame the dialogue does not focus on these things.
     
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    Six Hour Warning
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    Oh, so you must love socialism.
     
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    In defense of The Calvinists, the non-Cals are the ones who bring emotion and outside "evidence" into the discussion.
     
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    I disagree. I think that both have here. @Ran the Man is arguing from what he believes Calvinist may have done, what they may think, what racial group they represent, etc. But @Iconoclast has also made false and misleading accusations. Neither are engaging Calvinistic doctrine.
     
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    I see Iconoclast as responding to the nonsense, not initiating it. Historically, his arguments are heavy on scripture and light on emotion.
     
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    The problem with that is that the scriptures support it, especially in the doctrines of Christ and of Paul!
     
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    The truth of Calvinism is from what the scriptures teach regarding salvation, and not based upon how some in history have misapplied it!
     
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    How is he a jerk? He is just no nonsense. He is business. He has very little tolerance for foolishness. He won't play word games with people. If you try to get into word games with him, he will shut you down. How is that being a jerk?
     
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    Calvinism has no need to be on the defensive, as it should be non Calvinist salvation theology that needs to be examined more in the light of the scriptures!
     
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    Calvinism is a sound doctrinal theory. It can be supported by Scripture, but it can't be proven by scripture. If it were a proven fact, there would be no debate.
     
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    It fits better the scriptural model of the fall and its effects...
     
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