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I will trust the BDAG and Barclay Newman Lexicons over Google translate



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Yet is been demonstrated it certainly does have that possibility. You are arguing against respected Greek Lexicons.

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show me, cause this is very doubtful

 

Ελληνική Ευαγγελική Εκκλησία

You can also Google "Greek Evangelical Church" as Well. They are part of the World Communion of Reformed Churches as well.

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koine was lost until early 19th century translations

 

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Paul brought the Gospel to Greece, It certainly was not Calvinistic

 

Quote it then, you have not. D R A G.

 

Barclay Newman : "draw, attract; drag (of coercion)"



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That is your opinion. Not a fact.

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Are you implying Paul was Calvinistic or questioning when was the first church in Greece ?

 

is that koine greek?

 

Of course I would say Paul was Calvinistic, but regardless I said the first PROTESTANT church was Calvinistic. Paul may have been a protestor but not against the RCC, seeing how it was not formed yet.

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nope , Paulicians and other who later became Baptists are not protestants and are not Calvinistic. The deviant doctrines developed much later. After all if one accepts predestination, why have a mission trip?

 

The Paulicans were started by a group of people who venerated Paul and got their name from their founder Paul of Samosta. Not the apostle Paul. The certain protested against Rome, Armenian, and the Greek church, by calling them Satanic.

For pretty much the same reason Amrinians have a mission trip. It is replys above that show one side is not even remotely listening to the other side.

We don't know the who the elect are. They must hear and respond to external calling. They can't hear the external calling if no one gives it to them.




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Yes, the change is that they've been enabled or granted the ability to come to Jesus.

So you think "granting" in verse 65 means an ability to come to Jesus through "sovereign election". Hmmm...

John 6:65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.” [NIV]

"given unto him" [KJV]
"granted unto him" [ESV] [NJKV] [NASB] [HCSB]

Nothing here is said about election.

 

wrong name on my part , Followers of Paul,l coverts who were from Greece and Asia Minor were not Calvinists

 

Urban Dictionary

D.R.A.G. = Determinists Rabidly Against God

“God predestined me to hate Him so then He had to forcefully drag me to salvation.”