Choice: God or Man - exegete John 6:32-40

It isn't the Father who draws men to Christ after the resurrection. It;s Christ Him Self.

Joh 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all to Myself..

The path to Salvation is found by men.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Calvinist on the other hand don't even follow the path. Because a path to Salvation suggest a choice to do so.
MB

 

I did not say that

 

Save you nonsense for someone else. I will not respond to people who tell me I'm not saved because I'm not a Calvinist

 

Romans 3:10-12.
Psalms 10:4.
Psalms 14:1-3.

We're not even looking for it, except He draws us ( John 6:44 ) and causes us to approach Him ( Psalms 65:4 ).

 

This verse compares worldly thinking vs. Spiritual thinking which can be done by saved people as well. It is not a comparison between the lost and the saved

 

It may seem that way to you but the truth is those who are saved choose to give up the rebellion and follow Christ. With out faith there is no Grace because ther is no faith for grace to come through.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Salvation in this verse is the gift
MB

 

Have I ever said that you had to be a "Calvinist" to be saved?

I'm not a "Calvinist"...
John Calvin and his teachings are not the issue here, and I don't follow men or what they have taught.
I follow Jesus Christ and His every word.

The very words of God, are what's being discussed here.

A person is saved because God chooses to save them...not because they chose God.
Again, if you truly believe on Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, then it's not because of your choice...it's because of God's choice of you ( Psalms 65:4, Acts of the Apostles 13:48, Romans 8:28-30, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 ).

From our perspective, I agree.
We chose Him and gave up our rebellion.

But, God's word says Who is behind that choice ( Psalms 65:4 ).
Read it carefully...blessed is the man whom God chooses, and causes to approach.

It could be...and it could just as easily be faith, or even "by grace are ye saved through faith".
I'll go with both of those, as I see that faith in Christ and His finished work for me is something I never had before 1978.

However, according to these:

John 3:27.
1 Corinthians 4:7.
James 1:17.

I never had anything good, except it comes from God.
That includes salvation, which is a gift.

Every good thing I have, comes from Him.

 

By grace.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done ( Titus 3:5-6 )...like belief.
Unbelief is a sin ( John 16:9 ), while belief is a work of God ( John 6:29 ) and a work of righteousness.
Biblical faith is delivered to the saints ( Jude 1:3 ) not to all men ( 2 Thessalonians 3:2 ).
Therefore, your faith is a gift from God ( Ephesians 2:8 ), authored and finished by His Son ( Hebrews 12:2 ) and is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen ( Hebrews 11:1 ) and a fruit of the Spirit ( Galatians 5:22-23 ).

I suggest focusing on the mercy and kindness of God, and not on what "we can do" to gain His favor...
Which cannot be done, anyway.

He will not be beholden to rebellious men ( Romans 4:4, Romans 9:14-18, Romans 11:5-6 ).
In fact, He will not allow men to dictate anything that He does ( Daniel 4:35 ).


I encourage you to give God the credit, where credit is due, MB.
He could have decided not to save you, and then where would you be?

Not seeking Him, not seeking His righteousness, not caring about your sin and how it offends Him, and definitely not caring that you need a Saviour.


May God bless you richly, sir, both in knowledge and grace.

 

Again,
How is it a mishandling of Scripture to tell someone what you see ( "exegesis", one's opinion of the very words ), verse by verse?

Is there something in God's word that tells us, as believers, not to lay things out, in-depth, by what the words state?
The very words ( 2 Timothy 3:16-17, not by "systematic theologies" and the teachings and commentaries of men ), are where we get those doctrines and those valuable truths from, are they not?

Then please develop the passage, word by word and verse by verse, if you are so inclined.
That is what this thread is all about.
If you cannot or will not, how is anyone who views your assertions going to be able to clearly see where you get your views from?

Now, if you've already done that, then I must have missed those threads...

Threads like this, where a verse-by-verse rendition is developed out in the open, for everyone to see.
If this is the case, please provide a link to the thread(s) in question where you have developed your answers, verse-by-verse.
Personally, I'm very curious as to why you find it impossible to do, especially with anything having to do with John 6.


Given that you are a pastor:

Any teacher of God's word should be able to stand up and tell those to whom he is teaching, exactly where and why they find the answers that they do... and respond to questions asked of them, to the listener's satisfaction.

Wouldn't you agree?
All I'm asking, is for you to do what any of the Lord's teachers should be able to do.

Before you think that I'm being "overly dramatic", please understand what a very serious position that a teacher of God's word, finds himself in ( James 3:1 ).
Being a teacher or a pastor is not only a very sobering responsibility, but one in which the Lord will hold that person accountable for doing it correctly or incorrectly.

For example, those that preach a false gospel are pronounced as accursed, according to Galatians 1.
It is definitely not a position that one should step into or treat, lightly.


I await your reply, sir.

 

Of course this is not true of those who believe in the Doctrines of Grace as a whole. Don't lump everyone into one pot please.

 

Good grief

There is nothing I said that could or should be interpreted as:

"So only parts of the Bible can be applied to us today and John 6 is one of those passages that does not apply?"

Especially since I added "that way" to my statement. What in the world do you think "that way" means? Do you really think "that way" could be interpreted as "does not apply?" I did not say "does not apply" I said does not apply that way". Do you get the difference? Honestly I don't think you are that dumb. I think you are working to twist my words. Enough.

 

I find you have dealt with me dishonestly I am done with you.