COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

3rdAngel · Oct 6, 2019

utilyan said: ↑

Right so...
Exodus 35
2“For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. 3“You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath day.”

So between Friday Night and Saturday Night, you are not going to be on the internet right? cause it causes ISP's to work. and turning on the monitor kindles a fire, do you power off your house Friday night? No lights.

I'm not allowed to make another person work either.

And when you see someone work, "whoever does any work on it shall be put to death." Is that Right?
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So you are wanting to change the subject again brother? I can understand why I guess. Why don't you make a thread on this. Send me a link. I will be happy to discuss it with you. This OP is about COLOSSIANS 2:16 do you have anything to share? I guess not. Seems everyone wants to talk about anything else here except the OP.

3rdAngel · Oct 6, 2019

Amazing, a whole thread where no one wishes to share scripture discussing the OP of COLOSSIANS 2:16. Something to think about I guess. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? If there is none who are we following? The teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Something to think about.

mailmandan · Oct 6, 2019

Alofa Atu said: ↑

Who is confused? Who contradicts themselves? See for yourself, the facts and evidence are there fore anyone to read:
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More SDA propaganda. I am not confused by your false religion which does not offer facts and evidence or the truth, but scripture twisting, trickery, deceit and propaganda in shady lawyer fashion. You are not fooling me or my brothers and sisters in Christ on the Baptistboard with your false doctrine that ultimately leads to a perverted gospel of salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

Former Seventh-day Adventist Pastor Exposes the Lies & Intentional Deceits of Ellen White & the SDA

Brother Anderson (a former SDA) points out how "Adventists have Institutionalized Deception." - Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Dangers of Seventh-day Adventism

1689Dave · Oct 6, 2019

3rdAngel said: ↑

I have been specific about COLOSSIANS 2 in the OP proving that COLOSSIANS 2 is not discussing any one of God's 10 commandments but the "SHADOW LAWS" from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT in "ORDINANCES" that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

V16 being in reference to the "SHADOW sabbaths" in the annual festivals which can fall on any day of the week and not God's 4th Commandment that is one of God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20.

This was prayerfully demonstrated in posts 2-6 by God's Grace showing;

1. THE CHAPTER CONTEXT
2. THE WITHIN SCRIPTURE CONTEXT
3. THE GREEK WORD MEANINGS OF THE WITHIN SCRIPTURE CONTEXT
4. CONTEXT TO THE REST OF THE SCRIPTURE WITHIN ALL SCRIPTURE

Why do you not wish to discuss COLOSSIANS 2 with me?

Those who are God's Sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him.
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“Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;” Colossians 2:14 (KJV 1900)

“He has destroyed what was against us, a certificate of indebtedness expressed in decrees opposed to us. He has taken it away by nailing it to the cross.” Colossians 2:14 (NET)

“Therefore do not let anyone judge you with respect to food or drink, or in the matter of a feast, new moon, or Sabbath days—” Colossians 2:16 (NET)

“when he nullified in his flesh the law of commandments in decrees. He did this to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace,” Ephesians 2:15 (NET)

“So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God.” Romans 7:4 (NET)

3rdAngel · Oct 6, 2019

mailmandan said: ↑

More SDA propaganda. I am not confused by your false religion which does not offer facts and evidence or the truth, but scripture twisting, trickery, deceit and propaganda in shady lawyer fashion. You are not fooling me or my brothers and sisters in Christ on the Baptistboard with your false doctrine that ultimately leads to a perverted gospel of salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

Former Seventh-day Adventist Pastor Exposes the Lies & Intentional Deceits of Ellen White & the SD

Brother Anderson (a former SDA) points out how "Adventists have Institutionalized Deception." - Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Dangers of Seventh-day Adventism
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Welcome the man who follows the word of website over the Word of God. Yet another one seeking to discuss anything else except the Word of God and the OP? Amazing. Now maybe you can tell us from your websites; Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?
If you cannot you know Dan your only denying God's Word in order to follow your traditions because you work on the Sabbath. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. All those continue in known unrepentant sin do not enter into the kingdom of heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23 and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *HEBREWS 10:26-39. You spreading lies in order to deny God's Word and ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear.

3rdAngel · Oct 6, 2019

1689Dave said: ↑

“Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;” Colossians 2:14 (KJV 1900)

“He has destroyed what was against us, a certificate of indebtedness expressed in decrees opposed to us. He has taken it away by nailing it to the cross.” Colossians 2:14 (NET)

“Therefore do not let anyone judge you with respect to food or drink, or in the matter of a feast, new moon, or Sabbath days—” Colossians 2:16 (NET)

“when he nullified in his flesh the law of commandments in decrees. He did this to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace,” Ephesians 2:15 (NET)

“So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God.” Romans 7:4 (NET)
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Already adderssed in the OP. You did not read it did you. COMMANDMENTS in ORDINANCES (v14 dogma; ecclesiastical and ceremonial laws) from the SHADOW LAWS of the MOSIAC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that point to JESUS and Gods plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT and not God's 10 commandments that give us a "KNOWLEDGE" of what sin is in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. This is addressed in the OP you did not read in posts 2-6. Go and read it and let's talk. "CONTEXT" matters!

Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

3rdAngel · Oct 6, 2019

Cmon guys? No one want to discuss the OP with me on COLOSSIANS 2 with a focus on COLOSSIANS 2:16?

1689Dave · Oct 6, 2019

3rdAngel said: ↑

Already adderssed in the OP. You did not read it did you. COMMANDMENTS in ORDINANCES (v14 dogma; ecclesiastical and ceremonial laws) from the SHADOW LAWS of the MOSIAC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that point to JESUS and Gods plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT and not God's 10 commandments that give us a "KNOWLEDGE" of what sin is in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. This is addressed in the OP you did not read in posts 2-6. Go and read it and let's talk. "CONTEXT" matters!

Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.
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“Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the Lord your God.” Leviticus 18:4 (KJV 1900)

“Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;” Colossians 2:14 (KJV 1900)

1689Dave · Oct 6, 2019

3rdAngel said: ↑

Cmon guys? No one want to discuss the OP with me on COLOSSIANS 2 with a focus on COLOSSIANS 2:16?
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I posted scripture interpreting it and you gave a smiling face response.

3rdAngel · Oct 6, 2019

1689Dave said: ↑

“Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the Lord your God.” Leviticus 18:4 (KJV 1900)

“Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;” Colossians 2:14 (KJV 1900)
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Nope, do you know what the GREEK word for "ORDINANCE" means in COLOSSIANS 2:16. Go look it up and than let's talk.

robycop3 · Oct 6, 2019

Alofa Atu said: ↑

Ummm, it is God's Holy day, not ours, neither even Ellen G White's, since it existed before she did.

Who is doing the ad-libbing?

Already responded to this in several points. There is not, and never has been an injunction by God against meeting on any day of the week. This is non-sequitur to the issue at hand. Jews and Christians met on every day of the week, before, during and after Jesus lived on this earth. It is a non issue.

You will not find the word "SUNDAY/s" one time in scripture.

God's people are to worship God 24/7 - 365.

The matter is about whether persons are keeping or transgressing the 4th Commandment. if a person is transgressing the 4th commandment in any one of the 7 days it mentions, then it is not worship of God (period). The Sabbath commandment encompasses the entire week, not just the 7th day. Read Exodus 20:8-11 carefully.

Maybe not here, but some do. Others say so by their actions, not by their words.

Great, because, the Ten Commandments, being a whole (Ecc. 12:13-14) unit, are not ceremonial in any part of it. Paul stated that the whole Law, the Ten Commandments, was "spiritual" (Romans 7:14). Notice, Paul said, "we (Christians) know", and therefore anyone who does not "know" as Paul described, what then are they according to the same text?

Again, the Ten Commandments, being "spiritual", not "ceremonial" (and never listed in scripture as such), include the stranger, and even the beasts. it encompasses the whole creation. Read Exodus 20:8-11 carefully.

That is a horse of a different colour and not at all the same as this topic, though you may think so.

Sure did.

Actually, he placed those "sabbaths" in the context of "shadow", and elsewhere "carnal". The Ten Commandments are "light" and "spiritual". Therefore, Paul does indeed differentiate. even by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

Opinion, whether honest or not, may be safely laid aside. The Text is all that matters.

I agree. That's why he cited Ezekiel 45:17 in Colossians 2. Read the context of Ezekiel 45, slowly.

In a certain sense that is true, yet the Ten Commandments aren't "Jewish", they are from Heaven, spoken and written by God. They are God's Law. Not Jewish law.

Actually no. We teach to keep all the law. What you are teaching is to relegate the 4th commandment to obscurity and select parts of the rest of the Ten C as still binding, and thus you teach "PART of the law".

Again, that is the straw man coming out. No. NO. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......

I do not know if that will be clear enough.

Ephesians 2:8-10; Titus 3:3-7, etc.

Yet, you cannot see this, since you teach OSAS. Walking in the will of God (God's Law of Ten Commandments, Psalms 40:8, etc), having been delivered by God's grace through faith, etc, is not attempting salvation by works. It is working IN faith.

Can a person be lost because they have rejected one of God's Ten Commandments? Yes. It doesn't matter which one. However, there is a test coming upon all the world in regards God's Law, see Revelation 3:10; 14:6-12, 17:12, etc.

That is because physical circumcision was merely an outward sign, which was to represent what was supposed to be in the heart. The Pharisees, etc forgot all about the inward part, and merely looked for outward show/display. God even in the OT, looked for circumcision of the heart. Paul covers this in several places:

Gal_5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Gal_6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

1Co_7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Notice the parallelism.

Yes, as Paul says, not according to the type, but according to the antitype.

1Co_5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

This is even right now the anti-typical Day of Atonement. Soon comes Tabernacles.

Do you not keep the Passover? Is it not Christ Jesus?

Kosher isn't scriptural, it is talmudic and rabbinic.

E G White is not the concern of the thread is it?

All Christians are to be circumcised (heart).

I do, and Christ is my Passover:

1Co_5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Then a person might say, then Christ is my sabbath, but they have no such text ...

No, that is a misunderstanding of the whole thing. Jesus said:

Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

No, we do not. Ad hominem, and undocumented. I just addressed everything by scripture.

All non-sequitur to the topic of OP.

A person could be wrong on all those things mentioned, and be dead right about the text of Colossians 2, and being wrong on the one, doesn't mean one is wrong on the other by mere association. (I did not say we are wrong, merely positing the obvious).
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Paul was writing about actual Sabbaths, not "shadows". Your SDA trash doesn't prove otherwise.

OF COURSE "Sunday" isn't in Scripture. it's an ENGLISH noun that wasn't coined til the early 1200s AD. English didn't exist when Scripture was being written. But it's still "the 1st day of the week".

So, you say we need to keep ALL the law? Paul wrote, on authority from GOD, that if you keep one part, such as circumcision, you must keep ALL of it, without one error. Do YOU do that? I doubt it. And you cited Gal. 5;6, which says circumcicion avails nothing, in Jesus. That, of course, means other parts of the ceremonial law. (Acts against other people are, of course, always sins.)

And you don't understand the "spirit" of the law because of your cultic indoctrination. Lemme make a human analogy:

In 1970, I eas DCd from the Navy. At that time, the draft laws were still "on the boox". I was then a male over age18, but under 26. But that set of laws no longer applied to me, as I had served in the military. Same for the ceremonial laws of God still "on the boox". with faith & summission to JESUS, they don't apply to us. Paul made that clear, BY GOD'S AUTHORITY.

I don't judge you in error for worshipping on Saturdays, but you judge me in werror for worshipping on Sundays. But you have no authority over me, so judge away; I don't care. I'll never believe your Seven-Day-Adlibber garbage, your KJVO myth, nor any of the other jive you've been presenting.

3rdAngel · Oct 6, 2019

1689Dave said: ↑

I posted scripture interpreting it and you gave a smiling face response.
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Indeed because it only show you did not read any of the OP did you Dave or you would not have posted what you did. Only sent in love brother. You did not read the OP did you yet your trying to comment on something you did not read.

robycop3 · Oct 6, 2019

Alofa Atu said: ↑

Indeed, there is quite a bit of exaggeration (and less of refutation) involved in certain responses. Imagine on the day when they are face to face with God, and they have ready their long list of excuses of why they transgressed the 4th commandment in regards the 7th day, and then is the fulfillment of the scripture, that which they measured by is measured again unto them, and then "TL;DR" is emblazoned across the sky in fiery letters of gold, written by the Holy Ghost (just imagining).
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Thing is, your scenario aint gonna happen.

3rdAngel · Oct 6, 2019

robycop3 said: ↑

Paul was writing about actual Sabbaths, not "shadows". Your SDA trash doesn't prove otherwise.

OF COURSE "Sunday" isn't in Scripture. it's an ENGLISH noun that wasn't coined til the early 1200s AD. English didn't exist when Scripture was being written. But it's still "the 1st day of the week".

So, you say we need to keep ALL the law? Paul wrote, on authority from GOD, that if you keep one part, such as circumcision, you must keep ALL of it, without one error. Do YOU do that? I doubt it. And you cited Gal. 5;6, which says circumcicion avails nothing, in Jesus. That, of course, means other parts of the ceremonial law. (Acts against other people are, of course, always sins.)

And you don't understand the "spirit" of the law because of your cultic indoctrination. Lemme make a human analogy:

In 1970, I eas DCd from the Navy. At that time, the draft laws were still "on the boox". I was then a male over age18, but under 26. But that set of laws no longer applied to me, as I had served in the military. Same for the ceremonial laws of God still "on the boox". with faith & summission to JESUS, they don't apply to us. Paul made that clear, BY GOD'S AUTHORITY.

I don't judge you in error for worshipping on Saturdays, but you judge me in werror for worshipping on Sundays. But you have no authority over me, so judge away; I don't care. I'll never believe your Seven-Day-Adlibber garbage, your KJVO myth, nor any of the other jive you've been presenting.
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These are simply your words brother denying Gods'. If what your presenting is true than prove it from the scriptures and address the OP that shows you why you are in error. CONTEXT matters and you have provided none.

3rdAngel · Oct 6, 2019

robycop3 said: ↑

Thing is, your scenario aint gonna happen.
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There is nothing hidden that shall not been revealed come judgment day. Time will tell but it seems to be running out for many who do not hear His Voice.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear do not follow.

robycop3 · Oct 6, 2019

Alofa Atu said: ↑

1689Dave did. See previous post. What do you say to his replies?
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All the laws are still "on the boox", but the ceremonial ones are inactive.

3rdAngel · Oct 6, 2019

robycop3 said: ↑

All the laws are still "on the boox", but the ceremonial ones are inactive.
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According to God's WORD (not mine) God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) in the "NEW COVENANT" give us the "KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL"; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 and according to God's WORD (not mine) if we break any one of God's 10 commandments in the "NEW COVENANT" we stand guilty before God is sin *JAMES 2:9-10. Now God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *EXODUS 20:8-11. Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has been "ABOLISHED" and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a "HOLY DAY? If you have no scripture does this not worry you? It should. JESUS says all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Something to think about brother Roby. In times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth calls us to believe and follow his Word *ACTS 17:30-31. If we sin willfully after we receive a knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to the judgment to come *HEBREWS 10:26-39.

utilyan · Oct 6, 2019

Just the fact you required a whole book to explain it away is pretty funny.

Colossians 2

14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, 19and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

worship of the angels = worship of michael as God

Festival yearly, New moon monthly, Sabbath is weekly.

It reads perfectly clear to me.

3rdAngel · Oct 6, 2019

utilyan said: ↑

Just the fact you required a whole book to explain it away is pretty funny.

Colossians 2

14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, 19and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

worship of the angels = worship of michael as God

Festival yearly, New moon monthly, Sabbath is weekly.

It reads perfectly clear to me.
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Let's discuss it when you read the OP. You didn't read the OP did you utilyan that shows why you are in error. CONTEXT matters and you have provided none.

I have been specific about COLOSSIANS 2 in the OP proving that COLOSSIANS 2 is not discussing any one of God's 10 commandments but the "SHADOW LAWS" from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT in "ORDINANCES" that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

V16 being in reference to the "SHADOW sabbaths" in the annual festivals which can fall on any day of the week and not God's 4th Commandment that is one of God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20.

This was prayerfully demonstrated in posts 2-6 by God's Grace showing;

1. THE CHAPTER CONTEXT
2. THE WITHIN SCRIPTURE CONTEXT
3. THE GREEK WORD MEANINGS OF THE WITHIN SCRIPTURE CONTEXT
4. CONTEXT TO THE REST OF THE SCRIPTURE WITHIN ALL SCRIPTURE

Showing that COLOSSIANS 2:11-17 is not talking about God's 10 commandments but ecclesiastical laws in ordinances from the MOSAIC SHADOW laws from the BOOK of the old covenant for remisison of sins.

Those who are God's Sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him.

robycop3 · Oct 6, 2019

3rdAngel said: ↑

These are simply your words brother denying Gods'. If what your presenting is true than prove it from the scriptures and address the OP that shows you why you are in error. CONTEXT matters and you have provided none.
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SDA garbage. The Scriptures, of course, are right. Mrs. White's private interps are wrong.

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