COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

More of your words Roby denying God's WORD. Your words are not Gods WORD. Denying God's WORD does not make it dissappear. I believe God's Word and so should you. If you disagree with what I have shared with you from Gods' WORD in the OP than prove it with God's WORD. If you cannot it only shows you are in error. If so why not believe God's WORD and receive God's blessing?

God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word) and follow him. THose who knowingly follow man made traditions that break the commandments of God accorinding to JESUS are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

 

RUBBISH! I have provided my own prayerful study of the scriptures alone. It is God's Word and not my words and you do not believe them or can you respond to the scriptures that show why you are in error. Neither can you provide a single scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been "ABOLISHED" and we are now commanded to keep "SUNDAY" as a Holy day. This only shows you are putting the teachings and traditions of men over the Word of God. This is only sent in love and as a warning to you. You are free to believe as you wish. We all answer only to God come judgment day. Sadly at this time it will be too late for many.

 

Well I can see sharing God's WORD is a waste of time with you brother. I wish you all the best and hope to see you in God's kingdom and wish you only the best. If you have no scripture to support your teachings perhaps this OP might give you something to pray and think about. Thankyou for the discussion. I will leave this between you and God as I have only shared Gods' Word with you which are God's WORD not mine, so your argument is with God not me.

May you receive God's WORD and be blessed.

 

I will finish with this one for now and wish you all the best because your posts have no truth in them as shown earlier through the scriptures... (sent ealier) C&P

Hmm more name calling brother. I guess this is because you cannot argue against the scriptures that disagree with you. You quote ROMANS 14:5, can yor please show that ROMANS 14:5 is in reference to God's 4th Commandment Sabbath? If you cannot why do you pretend that it is? In fact ROMANS 14:5 is in reference to eating and drinking, and fasting in connection to days that men esteem over other days. It is not a reference to God's 4th commandments Sabbath and never has been. The things that men esteem are an abomination to God.

Now please show us where in any of these scriptures God's WORD is talking about God's 4th Commandment. Your trying your best to read into the scriptures something that they are not talking about. The CONTEXT that you leave out of v5 and v6 read this way.

ROMANS 14:1-22

[1], Him that is weak in the faith receive you, but not to doubtful disputations.

[2], For one believes that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eats herbs.

[3], Let not him that eats despise him that eats not; and let not him which eats not judge him that eats: for God has received him.

[4], Who are you that judge another man's servant? to his own master he stands or falls. Yes, he shall be held up: for God is able to make him stand.

[5], One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

[6], He that regards the day, regards it to the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he does not regard it. He that eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he that eats not, to the Lord he eats not, and gives God thanks.

[7], For none of us lives to himself, and no man dies to himself.

[8], For whether we live, we live to the Lord; and whether we die, we die to the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

[9], For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

[10], But why do you judge your brother? or why do you set at nothing your brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

[11], For it is written, As I live, said the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

[12], So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

[13], Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[14], I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteems any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

[15], But if your brother be grieved with your meat, now walk you not charitably. Destroy not him with your meat, for whom Christ died.

[16], Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

[17], For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

[19], Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things with which one may edify another.

[20], For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eats with offense.

[21], It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby your brother stumbles, or is offended, or is made weak.

[22], Have you faith? have it to yourself before God. Happy is he that comdemns not himself in that thing which he allows.

[23], And he that doubts is damned if he eat, because he eats not of faith: for whatever is not of faith is sin.

ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment of any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

Receive Gods Word and be blessed. Name calling does not make God's Word dissappear.

 

SOME POINTS TO CONSIDER IN ROMANS 14:1-23

1. the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

2. the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

3. the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

4. the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

5. the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

6. the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

7. Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

8. Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

9. the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

10. Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

11. the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

12. Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

13. Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

14. the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

15. the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

16. none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

17. nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

18. anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

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CONCLUSION: Nothing about God's 4th commandment in there at all. The scriptures are talking about food connected to days (eating and not eating (fasting) on days men esteem over other days. Not what days God esteems and judging others.

The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment or any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

Receive Gods' Word and be blessed

 

I do not Judge you. The WORD of GOD Judges us brother. What do you think *JOHN 12:47-48 means? Judge rightouess judgment. There is none righteouss but God ROMANS 3:10.

 

Yet here you are. I only share God's WORD while you deny God's WORD with your own words. For me, he must increase and I must decrease. I only point all to the Word of God because it is there we find the one who loves us that we may love him. I know him and am known by him. All that he shows me I see and must show to all because I am blind. He tells me it is those that say they see that do not see. These are they that have once known him or do not know him. There is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own. Freely I give because freely I have received. I must speak in the light and what I hear preach in the housetops. Many will not hear because they do not know Him. He is the Word of God and those that believe him are those that he has chosen. They follow him because they love him and are loved by him. Many are called but few are chosen. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day.