The Idea Of Free Will

Luke 70

30But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God’s purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.

Either God is a sovereign idiot who didn't see it coming or God leaves it to a person to make choices.

 

IF God relied upon "free will" to get any lost sinner saved, we would all be choosing to say hell bound, as better for us to be our own "god" then want God to have to save us!

 

So, you’re saying that Jesus was lying when he said some parts of the Bible are more important than other parts?

 

No one claims He does.

 

No proof just jabber
MB

 

The Coast Guard is not a god which has predetermined the future. A Coast Guard's "choice" to save a ship may or may not save it. But the decision by the Calvinist God before the beginning of time to save someone always saves that person.

So, the decision by the Calvinist God will effectively save the person prior to the person believing.

 

MB's jabber.

 

1 john 3

10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

John 13
35“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

If you don't know who else is "elect" I got bad news for you.

 

From eternity past the "coast guard" knew that sinking ship, HECK it fired the torpedo. And follows its scheduled plan of mock rescue and kill the rest.

There is no way to sugar coat such a pathetic and evil view of God.

Its like if you took offense that an ant in your ant farm sneezed.

 

I agree that this is the Calvinist position.

However, my point of contention is that when the Calvinist God makes the decision before the beginning of time, the person in effect is already saved before he or she is even born.

 

what part I got wrong?


Real Cost guard doesn't pick n' choose or flip a coin whether to rescue a ship

 

First please put actual effort into your reading and then Quote where I said he mocks anyone. I think your bringing in your philosophy is to the point it distorts everything you read and hear..

Your philosophy is filling in the words and giving meaning between the lines.


Did God Love the "believer" FIRST from foundation and hate the "unbeliever" FIRST from the foundation?


IF you don't hate God why do you keep portray him character worst than an nazi?

 

Here is a Coast Guard ship who knows exactly who is sinking.

He could save all the ships if he wanted to.

He decides to save some.


Do you think that Ship which could easily saved all the ships but deliberately chose for some to die would be congratulated?

And those that drown, drown to his "Glory".



We not talking about God here..... What would we say of the character of this person? Is he noble and Good?