Do Dispensationalists share in the guilt of bloodshed related to Israel?

Hi Church Mouse Guy,

You said,
"Calling Jews God's Chosen People has nothing to do with salvation. When Jesus was crucified the veil of the temple was rent in two and Judaism became devoid of salvation."

I do not think the OT Saints were "saved" through "Judaism. By the works of the Law, no flesh is justified. The OT Saints obtained approval through faith in God, but we actually saved through the blood of Christ, IMO. That is why they had to wait in "Abraham's bosom" to be made perfect until Christ died.

 

I understand that it is null and void. I am glad that you admitted that you are a gentile. At least you did not falsely say that you are a Cherokee Indian like Elizabeth Warren. You do sound like a Catholic, however. Oh, didn't a Jesuit formulate Preterism for you?

 

I never said that being the Chosen People had anything to do with salvation so I don't know why you are writing about that. I did say that Scripture teaches that the Jews are the apple of God's eye but 1689 is a gentile so he is not the apple of God's eye.

 

So what? The also say Jesus is a bastard so they prove that He existed. All non-Christians say bad things about Jesus.

You say bad things about Christians because Southern Baptist Harry Truman recognized Israel right away in 1948. Preterism really should shut up about Israel. You sound like some jihadi.

 

That's all that was known to Zeke at that time. And the Jews DO plan to resume animal sacrifices. They're breeding the animals to do it with.

But it does not replace Christianity. Most Jews have never accepted Christianity anyway, believing we're still under the Old Covenant.

 

Have you gone bonkers? Romans 11 says JUST THE OPPOSITE ! !

 

How GOOFY! Israel exists because God has preserved the Jews. He didn't cause them to lose their national ID as He did the 10 tribes.

And despite your silly arguments, today's Jews are still Jews, They've been punished far-worse than the 10 tribes have been. Why. God told Zeke that Aholah & Aholibah, Samaria & Jerusalem respectively, were punished for idol worship Judah saw what happened to the 10 tribes for it, but then EXCEEDED her in idol worship, & thus, was punished far-more-severely. (Far as we can tell, the 10 tribes lived a benign existence after their exile.)

You may check out any work of history you like, & you will NOT find another people or nation that's taken the abuse the Jews have, & still retained their national identity.

Ever since their exile by Hadrian, they were hated for murdering Jesus, they were hated for being "money-grubbers", they were often accused (usually unjustly) of being sexual perverts, child-molesters, & spreaders of "social diseases". Their punishment culminated in the nazi holocaust. After that, God began to lift their punishment.

But GOD still has plans for both Judah & Israel. he has begun restoring Jusah in their own land again, with Jerusalem once again their capital. They're the "pound-for-pound" military champs of all time. And their nation is becoming wealthy.

And an often-overlooked prophecy in Isaiah 19 has cometa pass. The land of Judah is a terror to the Egyptians, just as prophesied ! Evert time a Jew rattles, his Uzi, the 80 million Egyptians quake in their fezzes. They've had their butts kicked several times by Israel, & they don't want it again !

The Jews have fulfilled many prophecies, despite themselves, & they'll fulfill all the rest as well ! Deny this all ya want, Dave, but Scripture & history prove you WRONG !

 

That comes from the KJV's mistranslation of hades as "hell".

 

Exactly. Not only this, I support Israel for completely non-religious reasons. They are the most open, fair and righteous nation in the middle east. They allow Christians to come in and worship the true God without hinderance or persecution. They show the most restraint of any nation in history against aggression, and they for sure have endured the most aggression of any nation in history.

Israel also offers a convincing apologetic for biblical truth. Only anti-God, anti-Bible, spiritual sickness can explain men's hatred for the people and nation God specially raised up. Only the Bible contains the framework that can logically explain antisemitism.

IOW's the veiled attack on Israel by the OP is completely without merit. We're not called to stir up hatred of unbelievers of any people group. We're called to share the gospel with those who will listen, and live the gospel before those who won't.

BTW, I don't include non-dispensationalists in general in my comment above, just the OP.

 

Never heard of this, and I teach dispensational theology. I know of many ind. Baptists who are missionaries to Israel, including personal friends. We recently had a missionary to Israel here under the International Board of Jewish Missions, founded by Jacob Gartenhous, noted Baptist missionary to the Jews.

P. S. Are you trying to say "dual covenant theology"? Never heard of that either. It's certainly not any dispensational doctrine I ever heard of.

 

It is apparent that you know very little about real dispensationalism. I teach the subject in college, and don't even give a mention to any of these questions. They are not dispensational in content or understanding; therefore none of your thoughts are even mentioned in the textbook by Ryrie.

 

You have to be kidding me!! Your questions have nothing to do with what I believe or teach, so why would I have any obligation in the slightest to answer them? I'm not ducking away from them, I just don't care about them.

It's as if I was playing third, but you threw the ball into the stands. We're not even playing the same game! No, wait, it's as if I had my baseball glove on at third base, and you came out of the stands and threw a football near me, and then wondered why I didn't drop my baseball glove and dive to catch your football.

 

You caught me ... there is no Chapter 3 in Galatians. I just made that quote up myself.