Do Dispensationalists share in the guilt of bloodshed related to Israel?

[church mouse guy]

As I recall, they say a third temple will stand in Jerusalem where the animal sacrifice will be restored. This means Judaism will replace Christianity in my thinking.

No, it just means that Jews will try CPR at the funeral of an embalmed corpse.

 

[church mouse guy]

Jim Jones was a homosexual and an atheist (see Wikipedia). I'm aware that he had shared a pulpit with "The Message" cult leader William Branham before he started his own cult. (Branham claimed to be an angel seen by John in the Revelation. And, even dead, his cult still has a couple of million of very low-profile followers who expect his return). So, don't blame Disciple of Christ for what him.



Their claim that there is no salvation outside of Christ is lip service, not backed up by their other speech or actions. Most of their groups decidedly don't evangelize in Israel. None none of them object to Israel's muffling of Christian evangelism. Jews don't have to accept Jesus to be declared over and over and over that they are God's Chosen people. If the're already God's people, why do they need Jesus?



Why wouldn't they have a good military. They get great weapons from the US, that they can buy with the money the US gives them. And, what military tech the US won't sell them, their spies steal.

Jim Jones was a communist but he was ordained by the Disciples of Christ headquartered in Indianapolis where Peoples Temple started. He also tried to take over Father Devines cult but was unsuccessful.

Calling Jews God's Chosen People has nothing to do with salvation. When Jesus was crucified the veil of the temple was rent in two and Judaism became devoid of salvation.

Actually Israel manufactures some of their own weaponry and have made many advanced discoveries. They recently released their army pistol for sale and it may be the best pistol in the world.

 

[church mouse guy]

Some Christians defend Israel's muffling of Christian evangelism by denying it happens. I'm guessing your uncle's "open preaching" was quietly within church buildings, in segregated Christian communities.

With Google you can find things like this Christianity Today article, "An Israeli immigration Judge has ordered the deportation of a Messianic Jewish man from England who was arrested last week for taking part in an evangelistic event...." If Israel will deport a Jewish citizen for Christian evangelizing, imagine how much harder they'd come down on anyone else for preaching openly.



Russia is doing more for ME peace than America.

Are you a commie?

 

[church mouse guy]

Right. So a church-age circumcised Hebrew is a Jew in the flesh, but unjustified thereby.
Justification VS identification in the flesh: 2 separate issues.

I think 1689 is a preterist.

 

[Yeshua1]

This is constrained by this passage; “And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” Romans 11:23 (KJV 1900) = Grafted back into Israel under Christ aka the Church.

God stated that He had an everlasti

I think 1689 is a preterist.

His views on the Jews are very disturbing!

 

[atpollard]

How old is Dispensationalism?

It goes back to when Moses wrote Genesis. Clearly the way God interacted with man changed at the fall of Adam and again at the close of the Patriarchs. There are two “dispensations” that seem all but impossible to deny.

It is only the irrelevant speculation on eschatology (which God will do as He pleases irrespective of our opinions) that causes the emotional disagreements within the Body.

 

[robycop3]

My problem with this view is God removed the unbelievers from Israel. Leaving only spiritual Israel. And only if any accept Christ will they be reattached to Israel. That is, we are Israel and those calling themselves Israel in the Middle East are not. If you think about it, they had a chance to remain Israel as the early Jewish believers did, by accepting Jesus. Since they did not, they exist solely because of their hatred and rejection of him. And history bears this out.

“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36 (KJV 1900)

No, that removal has NOT yet happened. Scripture says it WILL, not that it HAS. Like it or not, today's Jews are still part of Israel, no matter what they believe.

 

[robycop3]

That there is a spiritual Israel does not negate, in the scriptures, the reality of a physical Israel with physical blessings.
The idea that it does is the cause for the confusion.

Absolutely RIGHT ! The history of the Jews bears this out.

And the Jews are only PART of Israel. God hasn't yet begun restoring the "lost" tribes of Israel .

 

[robycop3]

God stated that He had an everlasti

His views on the Jews are very disturbing!

He cannot or will not accept the fact that there's PHYSICAL Israel & SPIRITUAL Israel, which are separate entities. This fact is plainly set forth in Scripture, so to reject it is to reject Scripture.

 

[robycop3]

Jim Jones was a communist but he was ordained by the Disciples of Christ headquartered in Indianapolis where Peoples Temple started. He also tried to take over Father Devines cult but was unsuccessful.

Calling Jews God's Chosen People has nothing to do with salvation. When Jesus was crucified the veil of the temple was rent in two and Judaism became devoid of salvation.

Actually Israel manufactures some of their own weaponry and have made many advanced discoveries. They recently released their army pistol for sale and it may be the best pistol in the world.

The famed Uzi is an entirely-Israeli weapon, designed by Uziel Gal, an Israeli army officer.

 

[robycop3]

As I recall, they say a third temple will stand in Jerusalem where the animal sacrifice will be restored. This means Judaism will replace Christianity in my thinking.

No, Judaism won't replace Christianity. The temple will just be the culmination of the already-existing Judaism, which believes we're still under the Old Covenant.

While that temple won't actually be a "temple of God", most of the world will believe it is, which makes it a focal point for the antichrist to proclaim himself God from.

Plainly, no powerful ruler ever entered the old temple & proclaimed himself God, but Scripture says the antichrist will set up his statue in the temple & proclaim himself God. So, that event WILL happen!

 

[church mouse guy]

The famed Uzi is an entirely-Israeli weapon, designed by Uziel Gal, an Israeli army officer.

Uzi does it!

The Israeli Weapons Industry company recently released the striker fired Masada pistol, perhaps the best pistol in the world.

 

[1689Dave]

No, Judaism won't replace Christianity. The temple will just be the culmination of the already-existing Judaism, which believes we're still under the Old Covenant.

While that temple won't actually be a "temple of God", most of the world will believe it is, which makes it a focal point for the antichrist to proclaim himself God from.

Plainly, no powerful ruler ever entered the old temple & proclaimed himself God, but Scripture says the antichrist will set up his statue in the temple & proclaim himself God. So, that event WILL happen!

Ezekiel calls for sin atoning animal sacrifices. = Judaism replaces Christianity.

 

[1689Dave]

No, that removal has NOT yet happened. Scripture says it WILL, not that it HAS. Like it or not, today's Jews are still part of Israel, no matter what they believe.

Romans 11 says it happened.

 

[church mouse guy]

Romans 11 says it happened.

This replacement theology is the Achilles heel of the points of preterist viewpoint. Romans merely says that Christians can apostate and God can go back to the original roots and branches the Jews and cause them to flourish again and gentiles to be on the outside again. That does not help preterism one bit.

 

[church mouse guy]

Ezekiel calls for sin atoning animal sacrifices. = Judaism replaces Christianity.

No, that would be giving CPR to an embalmed corpse. You overstate your case. Many religions have animal sacrifice and they are still false. You are illogical.

 

[1689Dave]

This replacement theology is the Achilles heel of the points of preterist viewpoint. Romans merely says that Christians can apostate and God can go back to the original roots and branches the Jews and cause them to flourish again and gentiles to be on the outside again. That does not help preterism one bit.

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)

 

[1689Dave]

No, that would be giving CPR to an embalmed corpse. You overstate your case. Many religions have animal sacrifice and they are still false. You are illogical.

“Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened. And the prince shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate without, and shall stand by the post of the gate, and the priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate: then he shall go forth; but the gate shall not be shut until the evening. Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons. And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish. And the meat offering shall be an ephah for a ram, and the meat offering for the lambs as he shall be able to give, and an hin of oil to an ephah. And in the day of the new moon it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish. And he shall prepare a meat offering, an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and for the lambs according as his hand shall attain unto, and an hin of oil to an ephah. And when the prince shall enter, he shall go in by the way of the porch of that gate, and he shall go forth by the way thereof.” Ezekiel 46:1–8 (KJV 1900)

 

[church mouse guy]

“Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened. And the prince shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate without, and shall stand by the post of the gate, and the priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate: then he shall go forth; but the gate shall not be shut until the evening. Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons. And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish. And the meat offering shall be an ephah for a ram, and the meat offering for the lambs as he shall be able to give, and an hin of oil to an ephah. And in the day of the new moon it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish. And he shall prepare a meat offering, an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and for the lambs according as his hand shall attain unto, and an hin of oil to an ephah. And when the prince shall enter, he shall go in by the way of the porch of that gate, and he shall go forth by the way thereof.” Ezekiel 46:1–8 (KJV 1900)

What are you trying to say, 1689? When Jesus shed His blood on the cross, animal sacrifice became null and void. When Muslims and Hindus sacrifice animals, it does not please God. So if the Jews begin sacrifice of animals in a new Temple, it will be an exercise in futility.

 

[1689Dave]

What are you trying to say, 1689? When Jesus shed His blood on the cross, animal sacrifice became null and void. When Muslims and Hindus sacrifice animals, it does not please God. So if the Jews begin sacrifice of animals in a new Temple, it will be an exercise in futility.

This is the problem. Ezekiel's temple passage rejects this and replaces Christianity with Judaism. People try to symbolize it but it is literal.