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Begotten or Made and Mary's role in your Salvation

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by JoeT, Nov 22, 2019.

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  1. Particular

    Particular Well-Known Member

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    Wow, so many false teachings in one post.
    First, I have no idea how you jump the shark to a trash can.
    Second, baptismal regeneration is a cultish teaching from a legalistic, works based, synergistic misunderstanding of God's word.
    The Bible says "it is by grace you are saved." It does not say, "it is by baptisms grace that you are saved." Your teaching is anathema to God.

    Third, based on your mating claim, God had sexual intercourse with a virgin girl (probably 12 or 13 years old) and placed his spiritual sperm into a human egg to create a Thor-like being called Jesus. That, by the way is what Mormons teach, so you're in cult company with your position.
    I prefer to believe that God the Son is begotten and entered Mary as fully human and fully God in a miraculous implant of divine humanness. No sperm or egg necessary...just like Adam.
     
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    God does not perform magic. God simply does...and we cannot comprehend what he does. We humans call it "miraculous."
     
  3. JoeT

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    OH! it's all clear now, God puts a Holy worm in the belly of Mary. And she begets what? A big worm?

    Ok, no argument.

    God over powers your sin with Justification at Baptism. God overpowers Mary's possible corruption at conception - can you deny this of God?

    Once again, given your own salvific graces, how were your parents instrumental in your salvation.

    JoeT
     
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    Wow, you just can't face what I have said. Now you make Jesus a worm when I have never said such a thing. Your inability to be honest is obvious to everyone reading this thread.
     
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    Ya didn't look too hard !

    Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

    Who does **ALL** exclude ???????????????????????

    In most ways, Mary was an ordinary Jewish 1st C. housewife.

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    I've been on this board for over eighteen years... This discussion is nothing new... There are 317 plus discussion on this same subject... The Immaculate Conception... You want to see them all type in Immaculate Conception in the search mode... I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now... So carry on your discussion, I'm leaving... God picked a virgin to carry his seed, and planted his seed in her... And birthed his sinless Son, Jesus The Christ with a body he gave him, to carry out the work he assigned him!... And when he completed that and died for his chosen, God raised him from the dead... Plain and simple... But those are other topics of their own... Brother Glen:)

    Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

    10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

    10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
     
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    Lemme ask you again: WHO DOES "ALL HAVE SINNED" LEAVE OUT ???????????????????????
     
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    I call it "The Immaculate Deception" !
     
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    Or in your own words phony as a Ford Corvette!... Brother Glen:Biggrin
     
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    If this is meant literally then we must also apply it to Jesus Christ.

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    St. John says "we know that we are of God", then he says "the whole world is seated in wickedness." [1 John 5:19]
    It would seem St. John is conflicted either we are of God or he is "in wickedness".

    Then we wonder what work Christ was left with in Judea and Jordan, everyone was baptized.

    "Then went out to him Jerusalem and all Judea, and all the country about Jordan: And were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins." [Matthew 3:5-6]

    The Greek pas can mean 'all inclusive' the 'total sum of' or it can mean some of all types.

    JoeT
     
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    What is Luke talking about, has he lost his mind? "And they were both just before God, walking in all the commandments and justifications of the Lord without blame." [Luke 1:6] Doesn't he know Zachary and Elizabeth are included in the set of "all"?

    have you ever heard of hyperbole?

    JoeT
     
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    Luke 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

    Only a sinner needs a saviour.
     
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    Of course it is. That is because they are followers of the papal antichrist.
     
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    This is true, however in Mary's case she rejoices that she was protected by a savior.

    JoeT
     
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    Except Jesus is not one of us, He is God. God can't fall short of the glory of God.
     
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    What a stupid comment. What does that have to do with claiming Mary was sinless, part of doctrine...?
     
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    God didn't "mate" with Mary.
     
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    Then were Mary's parents without sin, or did the incorruptible come form corruption? And their parents? and theirs?,,,, Also, how could Mary be a doubter ["How can this be, as I know not a man?"], when the same kind of doubt made Zechariah mute until his son, John, was born, and the Bible says even worse about doubters?
     
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    As the OP is now banned for:
    Heresy, denying Jesus was fully God and fully man.
    This thread is closed.
     
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