If anyone care about facts.

What fall? Did some body fall? From where did they fall? Oh I know what you're talking about but Adam's sin did not cause me to bear his sin. Maybe you didn't watch the whole video.
Determinism isn't original to Calvinism it is a mix as I understand it Augustine took doctrines from these older beliefs and joined them together with Christianity to create Calvinism. Calvinist isn't the only group to believe in determinism. It certainly did not come from Scripture. The first 400 years after the crucifixion Christianity was freewill exclusively.
MB

 

it isn't.
MB

 

Which just shows your unobjective bias.

 

And of course your not biased.
MB

 

Not understand what role the divine knowledge, Genesis 3:22, of good and evil plays in our inheritance from Adam and Eve our sinful nature.

And not understanding God's kingdom is for children, Matthew 18:3; John 3:3-4 . . . .

 

Oh I am definitely biased, but I don't say that the other side is not useful. I actually listen to their arguments (I used to be on the other side by the way) and then take their arguments apart systematically. What you do is just stick your fingers in your ear and say "Nu uh that's not true!"

 

That can't be right. You mean God has not flipped the switch for him to accept any gospel you give. Right?

Would he better his chances at salvation by pretending to believe you.

Or describe to us the day before your regeneration and acceptance of Calvinism.

It sounds like you optimistically looked and hoped to understand Calvinism before you understood it.


Is there a change of attitude or action brother MB can take so God will change his mind and elect him?

 

You know what I think would be useful is If a Calvinist could in a post give the bare minimum Gospel. Sufficient enough for God's elect to regenerate from, whether that be one sentence or the entirety of genesis to revelations.

If you are stuck on an island with non-Calvinists and there is no bible, can you deliver the gospel? What is the minimum that need be understood?

 

This is just a strawman.
No human understands the work of God in salvation before God quickens them.
However, God is not silent in scripture regarding his work.
What is interesting is that you close your eyes to what God has said and then claim it is a made up theology of one man, namely John Calvin.

 

1 Corinthians 15:3-4 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.

 

Particular,

It is easy to forget that the mighty move of the Holy Spirit in response to Jonathan Edwards's famous sermon "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" happened during his second delivery of that same sermon. Edwards apparently had no significant spiritual impact in his first delivery of that sermon in a different town. . The second church must have attracted more people with a deep spiritual hunger for more of God.

Each of the major revivals was different in its emphases and catalysts. The one thing that most revivals had in common is that they were "soaked" in prolonged and regular intercessory prayer. It is fascinating but frustrating to speculate on why we can't have a comparable mass revival today. I think there are at least 3 reasons:

(1) A failure to consider the possibility that each revival comes in a different way and takes a different shape. Limiting expectations can block what God wants to accomplish.
(2) An unwillingness to devote hours weekly to group intercessory prayer: We live in an age of short attention spans and overcrowded schedules and life patterns.
(3) A divisive and competitive spirit among evangelical churches: It's very hard these days to gain interdenominational cooperation for joint programs that might enhance our witness and promote the kingdom of God,.

 

"What is interesting is that you close your eyes to what God has said and then claim it is a made up theology of one man,"
No it wouldn't be interesting or a surprise at all, precisely because -->"No human understands the work of God in salvation before God quickens them."

Which is exactly what I am saying in the post.

Your buddy here says "What you do is just stick your fingers in your ear and say "Nu uh that's not true!""

In which i reply that cant be right precisely because -->"No human understands the work of God in salvation before God quickens them."


Your telling us "What is interesting is that you close your eyes to what God has said and then claim it is a made up theology of one man, namely John Calvin."

Of course in your theology our eyes would be close even if we are ELECT until God quickens them.

 

Can I walk up to any non-christian and speak this as the GOSPEL TRUTH?

OR is the correct way:

1 Corinthians 15:3-4 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ MIGHT HAVE died for your sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.

Tell me my version is FALSE.

Because you don't know who is Elect or Not. And I would be a LIAR to tell a reprobate Christ died for OUR sins.



Did Christ die for me particular? Can you give me the HONEST Gospel?

 

It's not my theology. It's God's word.

 

Well why don't you believe what you preach to be God's word?

 

Speak it as the truth. Know full well that if the non-believer responds in belief, it is by the willful act of God.

Note that Paul is writing to the Corinthians in the past tense.

Delivered is past tense. When he says "our" sins he is declaring that the Corinthians are Christians.

"For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures."

Why are you so obstinately opposed to what God shares in his word? I note that you have no scripture for whatever your position is. All you do is curse John Calvin. You literally have nothing of substance to add to any conversation. You simply whine about John Calvin. Fix your record player, utilyan.

 

I do believe. Why do you disbelieve what God says?

 

Not so David I've read lot on Calvinism. I've compared it to what the scriptures actually say and I do not find anything Calvinistic in the scriptures. Actually I think your the one with your ears plugged.You have to deny the truth of scripture to be a Calvinist. This is why they have so much trouble with simple grammar and the meaning of words. I'm reminded of the Pharisee's they to thought that they were wise and Pious, but the wise and pious will be made fools. Scripture says so.
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
I have yet to meet a Calvinist on this board who does not claim to be and proud of it to boot Why there are so many who completely understand Biblical Greek The scholars who translate the scriptures for us should be ashamed of all the mistakes they've made according to these so called Greek masters.
MB

 

"Delivered is past tense. When he says "our" sins he is declaring that the Corinthians are Christians."

Okay. Then how do you declare the gospel to non-Christians?

 

I believe God and his word.



Did Christ die for me particular? Can you give me the HONEST Gospel?

Give us the gospel.