The effect of Free Will on Scripture.

Pay no attention to this rewrite of 1 Corinthians 3:1.

The adverbial phrase "as to spiritual ones" modifies "could not speak" and then contrasted (but") "as to fleshly ones" and "as to minor (youthful) ones. The "fleshly minded" is a rewrite, to make the verse conform to bogus doctrine.

 

No worries, Van, I pay no attention to your rewrites.

 

Van is smarter than all translators, apparently.

NIV -
Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly--mere infants in Christ.

ESV -
But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ.

NASB -
And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.

NKJV -
And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ.

YOUNGS -
And I, brethren, was not able to speak to you as to spiritual, but as to fleshly -- as to babes in Christ;

Just what is it that infants have their mind set upon? What significantly modifies and explains the condition of the "fleshly"

Do infants attend to that which is eternal, or that which pertains only to their own desires?

Now reader, just who is it that is really "rewriting Scriptures?"

Van presents that these are folks that are unsaved. He therefore attempts to build some doctrinal significance from his twisting the Scriptures.

As Van states about himself, "Pay no attention to this rewrite of 1 Corinthians 3:1" that he does.

 

Yet another ad hominem, another waste of elections, another deflection to change the subject. This is all they have folks.

 

LOL, your schtick is great, van.

 

On and on they post, one falsehood after another. Paul could not speak to them as to spiritual ones, but as to fleshly ones, as to minors in Christ. The "fleshly minded" is a rewrite, to make the verse conform to bogus doctrine.

 

Yet another ad hominem, another waste of elections, another deflection to change the subject. This is all they have folks. The adverbial phrase "as to spiritual ones" modifies "could not speak" and then is contrasted (but) with "as to fleshly ones" and "as to minor (youthful) ones. Pay no attention to those who either remove "as to fleshly one" or redefine the term to me "as to fleshly minded ones."

 

Drag out your “Strongs” and figure it out yourself.

See if you can do better than the translators.

Here, let me help. 1 Corinthians 3:1 Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual, but as worldly--as infants in Christ.

Be certain to scroll down to read three commentators. They, too, may agree with you.

 

Fleshly minded is a fiction, not found as the meaning of the word that means "to fleshly ones."

 

What is the difference between fleshly ones and fleshly minded?

Are you thinking fleshly ones are mindless?

 

[Jdg 17:6 KJV] 6 In those days [there was] no king in Israel, [but] every man did [that which was] right in his own eyes.

To me, this is an example of man exercising what some might call free will. However, since there were consequences for their acts of rebellion, I don't consider it free. Self will, yes.

 

You have to notice that it says every man. Do you honestly believe that there was no man who were led by God in Judges 17:6? In my studies of scripture I have found there has always been a remnant of righteousness. Actually men who do right are usually following the Law and there fore were right and it was right in there own eyes. This passage in about Micah And his longing for righteousness.In judges 17:10 he hires a Levite to be a priest. Obvously this verse is not about living sinfully but living with out a King.
MB

 

Abraham was not under the law. He was living as a pagan, enjoying the wealth of Ur when God chose him. No righteousness to claim on Abraham's part. God chose Abraham simply because it was his will to do so.

 

So was
Noah, Moses, Job, David, Sampson (before conceived), All the prophets, and the rest.

 

The passage isn't about Abraham. It's about Micah What are you talking about?
MB

 

The Scriptures tell that Micah’s decision about acquiring a priest was for selfish gain and not for anything righteous.

 

You are right no one is perfect including me.
MB

 

The answer is there is no effect on scripture. It is scripture that effects the people who read and study it. I have the freewill to ask for Salvation therefore I asked and it was given. Very scriptural
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
MB

 

You think you had a choice but your choice was already predetermined and you could make no other choice, you received Christ because God had already done His work inside you first. Jesus is author and finisher of your faith. Without Him you could and would have done nothing but reject Christ as does everyone that God has not made born again. You must be born again first in order to to see the kingdom of heaven.

John 3 and John 6 tells us all about this, how God works His salvation inside of us.
Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy He saved us.
Your faith is a gift from God, otherwise you would have none in Christ as the Son of God sent to save you from your sins.
Romans 12
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.

Romans 4:16-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be [a]sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.”

 

How do you present the passaged in Matthew 7 in conformity to Paul's statement in Romans 3: ?

9What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin,
10as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
13“Their throat is an open grave;
they use their tongues to deceive.”
“The venom of asps is under their lips.”
14“Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”
15“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16in their paths are ruin and misery,
17and the way of peace they have not known.”
18“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”​

19Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

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Where is free will found in the estate of ALL people - both Jews and Greeks?

May I suggest that 2 Corinthians placed your "free will" not as self expression but as that resulting cry every baby has at birth.

3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. ...

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17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.​

MB, I have no doubt concerning your own belief, nor that you do certainly believe.

All I am suggesting is that the expression in which you call "free will" did not start the Salvation, but was the result of the Salvation. As Romans 10 states:

8But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

NIV - For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
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Now, don't go to seed on the idea that confession brings salvation. Rather, the phrasing indicates time and place of the confession that you are saved. That something was "inserted" in a prepositional fashion in which the result was the core determiner of life and living changed. Does not verse 8 state that The WORD was already near you, IN your heart and IN your mouth.

For example: As a child, at my mother's knee, I came to know the Savior. At that point I confessed Him as my Savior. That did not bring salvation, but was the acknowledgement of having been saved by Him for His purpose. The core change had already taken place, was already impressing upon me the need to acknowledge salvation. The Word was already in my heart, and in my mouth, and there was no being able to prevent confession of Him as my Savior.

There is unity in Matthew and Romans, but not if the exercise of "free will" is the focus, but rather His will in opening your heart and mouth.