atpollard
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I am telling you EVERYTHING that scripture describes as “the church”. What you do with that information is between you and the Holy Spirit. You are not my servant, so I have no place judging you.
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I really wouldn't talk if I were you. You who base your belief's on one man named John Smyth who didn't raise his ugly head for some 1600 years after the fact. Talk about following a false prophet, you are the one who is in that position. Good grief, this one man who started the "Baptist faith tradition" is so off the wall, so far removed from the basic standards of theological thought, he threw the original renegades under the bus as they were not radical enough for him. Once Martin Luther did his thing it opened the door for any and everything to the weak minded believer. Your sect is akin to the JW's, the Mormons, and every other new "Christian" sect that follows but one human being who thinks they know better than anyone who ever came before him.
Says the person who follows the lead of but one man who started his own religion. So let me get this straight, according to you all the theologians, all the Bishop's, the whole of the Christian Church that existed before your guy came on the scene in the 16th century were wrong and your guy is right? Everyone is wrong including Martin Luther and the other early "reformers"?
Yeah, sure.
Particular says the roman empire created the Catholics. All i'm saying is show me the history, A source. There is none. Its a Lie just like Sola Scriptura. Give me a fake source even that explains where Catholics come from.
Then when POPE Particular has the divination to tell us who is and who is not elect. Still can't get a complete church with their own reckoning.
The more Particular gets pushed in to actually researching history the better, because all they got a indoctrinated false pseudo history.
The TRUTH does not side for them. Rely on false doctrines not written in scripture, rely on misrepresentation of other's beliefs. And having Evil Character for God excuses them to rely on evil.
Particular
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Yep, I follow Jesus and the word he gave us. I meet in community with the saints who Jesus has redeemed according to his sovereign will.
There have been many Godward people over the centuries. There have also been wolves who are not a part of Jesus flock.
The Roman Church has had many, many wolves (false teachers) leading its people. Why would anyone listen to them when they are not speaking for Jesus?
John 10:1-18,25-30 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them. So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
Only the true people of God will be saved, in the same way as it happened in Egypt: Exodus 12:12-13
12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute JUDGMENT: I am the Lord.
13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
Malachi 3:v.16-17
16 Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.
17 And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that Day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. - This Day has arrived -
18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
Yeah, then you will see the difference between the righteous and the wicked, between the person who serves God and one that doesn’t serve Him.
But the fearful, and idolaters, and all liars, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.Revelation 21:v.8
Woe of the idolaters. Woe of the sorcerers. Woe of the world of the Devil with his devilish idolater religions , and sects, false Christinanty, and all kind of evil doers. As it is written, and the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
The wrath of God will fall upon all them in this corrent time, there will be great punishments, only and only punishments, - the order is to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will - Revelation 11:v.6.
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Revelation 22:v.11&15.
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the Day of wrath - the Lord's Day- and revelation of the righteous Judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds. Yeah, unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the Truth - God is Truth-, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also
of the Gentile.
God is a devouring fire. God is Truth. God is Spirit. Every man's work shall be made manifest: for this Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God in this Day - the Lord's Day, that is the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
The Lord is exalted; for he dwelleth on high: he hath filled Zion with judgment and righteousness.
Hear, ye that are far off, what I have done; and, ye that are near, acknowledge my might. The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire?
who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
"The Roman Church has had many, many wolves (false teachers) leading its people."
The CHURCH in the BIBLE had many many wolves (false teachers) leading its people.
We even get a first hand account of apostles being kicked out of church.
3 John 1
9I wrote something to the church; but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, does not accept what we say. 10For this reason, if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words; and not satisfied with this, he himself does not receive the brethren, either, and he forbids those who desire to do so and puts them out of the church.
11Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. The one who does good is of God; the one who does evil has not seen God.
Notice Diotrephes is still a Christian they didn't say well that congregation is a false church. Notice EVIL is the one kicking folks out and shutting the door. Evil is the one disallowing you to voice your say.
This idea that you have an impeccable church of sinless people, Was a very early heresy that failed, It is called DONATISM.
The Church is for the SICK those who NEED HELP. Not for those who proclaimed themselves accomplished.
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Particular
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Jesus deals with churches that do not repent. Rome should take heed.
Revelation 2:12-29 “And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: ‘The words of him who has the sharp two-edged sword. “‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. Yet you hold fast my name, and you did not deny my faitheven in the days of Antipas my faithful witness, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality. So also you have some who hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans. Therefore repent. If not, I will come to you soon and war against them with the sword of my mouth. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it.’ “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: ‘The words of the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and whose feet are like burnished bronze. “‘I know your works, your love and faith and service and patient endurance, and that your latter works exceed the first. But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servantsto practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality. Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works, and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works. But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not learned what some call the deep things of Satan, to you I say, I do not lay on you any other burden. Only hold fast what you have until I come. The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father. And I will give him the morning star. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
That is correct "Saved" folks need to watch their back above all. You don't see him threatening just plain non-believers.
That doesn't mean we are disqualified and NOT the church.
Particular
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Again, you seem incapable of separating a denomination from God's people who make up his body, the church.
God is addressing members of a geographic church who embraced sin and heresy. God removes that fellowship. God never removes his children.
What is blocking your understanding in this matter?
Steel sharpens steel.
Proverbs 27
17Iron sharpens iron,
So one man sharpens another.
Shoe is on the other foot i'd do same for you. We believe if you are following your good conscience you are doing what is noble and right even if its in error.
I believe everyone in this thread has a good heart my religion is family and everyone is in it.
I'm looking for that unity first. Like we all love Jesus. Jesus prays for our unity, because we will IMPROVE inside of it.
John 17
22“The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
Perfected in unity means something different than perfected first then coming together.
Sure then suppose I'm one of those CHILDREN who embraced sin and heresy in the particular geographic church. And God "removes that fellowship" What does that mean for me?
Particular
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That means you worship God your Father as you have done. You do realize that there are places in the world where only one believer lives in that location... don't you?
The Battle is and will be against TWO SATANIC BEASTS ruled and guided by the Beast like a lamb-Revelation 13:v.11- which will rise up out of the earth very soon-precisely in Israel-, in fact a false lamb, a false messiah, an ESOTERIC and KABBALISTIC and SPIRITIST messiah, AN IMPOSTER, and he will speaks as a Dragon. The Jews are waiting their peculiar messiah, not JESUS who was rejected by Israel, they preferred Barabbas. Barabbas was a robber, an evildoer.
We know that the prophet Daniel revealed that Roman Empire would be the fourth Beast upon the earth (Daniel 7:v.23), which was diverse from all kingdoms, devouring the whole earth and tread it down, and broking it in pieces.
Backing to the ancient history and to the prophecies, the Kingdom of Roman Empire is figured in the TWO LEGS OF IRON of the great statue of Nebuchadnezzar's dream, and the PICTURE of TWO LEGS OF IRON-Daniel 2:v.33- means the division of the Roman Empire in TWO parts, as is written. The prophecy claims it would be a DIVIDED KINGDOM (TWO LEGS OF IRON)- and it fulfilled itself LITERALLY: Roman Empire of Western, endured from 395 BC-476 AD- and Bizantine Roman Empire from 330AD-1.453AD ---> Both kingdoms were DISSOLVED completely, practically both Empires were politically and militarily dissolved AND THEIR INHABITANTS spread among nations, I think each one of these two empires were transformed into a SPECIFIC and distincts religious Powers until today.
Notice that until this present time of Apocalypse, in which we are living, did not rise up any other UNIVERSAL Empire besides the Roman Empire, right? But it will rise up FROM NOW ON, as soon as the second Beast manifest himself, who shall come up out of the earth-Rev.13:v.11-18-and then there will be TWO religious Beasts reigning on the Earth, one in Rome - a Gentile Beast(Rev.13:v.1-10)-and another in JERUSALEM-Israel-a Jewish Beast-Rev.13:v.11-18.
Both CATHOLICISM(Iron) and the esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist JUDAISM(Clay) will build the religious and SATANIC Universal Kingdom of Antichrist. This will be the FIFTH Universal Kingdom, the Universal Antichrist's Empire, revealed in the TWO feet and 10 TOES of the great IMAGE, in part of IRON and in part of CLAY-Daniel 2:v.40-43. WE ARE LIVING EXACTLY IN THE TIME COMPREENDED BY TWO FEET AND 10 TOES OF THE IMAGE OF NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S DREAM - IRON AND CLAY. By the way, there is no other people than the people of Israel that is called by Scriptures as MADE of CLAY by the Potter's clay. Isaiah 64:v.8 among others.
The Jewish Beast, the Beast from the earth, who is a false messiah, is of the tribe of Dan, he is the Old Serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world. 2Thes.2:v. 9-10 ---> 9-Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
The 10 TOES of clay are the 10 tribes of the 12 tribes of Israel, which REBELLED against the house of David. By the way. JESUS is of the house of David and this explains why the people of Israel reject Him. Behold, we have just arrived in the time of the TWO feet and 10 TOES,(10 TOES:this detail is very important) part of iron and part of clay. We can see here that the complete extension of the universal Roman Empire is represented in the TWO LEGS exclusively, ln this time of the FEET and 10 TOES, in which we are living, the history is another, very very different, because the ORIGINAL Roman Empire was DISSOLVED by entire IN TWO PARTS figured in the TWO LEGS OF IRON,and it fulfilled LITERALLY: Roman Empire of Western, endured from 395BC-476AD- Bizantine Roman Empire from 330AD-1.453AD --->Both kingdoms were DISSOLVED completely, EXCEPT ITS RELIGIOUS SYSTEM which remains until this present time of Apocalypse, practically both empires were politically and militarily dissolved AND THEIR INHABITANTS spread among nations, both empires were transformed into A SPECIFIC religious Powers until today.
Furthermore, now, in the End of the times, these TWO Beasts will make a deal who will RULE FIRST the universal Antichrist's Kingdom, and the prophecy in the book of Revelation states, reveals, Revelation 13:v.5, that who will reign THE FIRST PERIOD OF 42 MONTHS OR 1260 DAYS is the Gentile Beast, the Pope through the woman, the Great Whore, that rides upon him.
Ended 42 months, who will assume the Antichrist's Empire is the Jewish Beast like a lamb, in fact a false lamb, a false messiah, the son of perdition, the own Satan incarnated, a former Cherub, an ESOTERICA, and KABBALISTIC, and SPIRITIST messiah, in fact an IMPOSTER, and he will reign in the second period of 42 months, and the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION will be established by 1;290 days. Here ends the devilish world of the Devil, the old Serpent. The Kingdom of God will be established as is written in Revelation 11:v.15 and Rev.5:v.10, as follow:
Rev.11:v.15 - The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev. 5:v.10 - And hast MADE US unto our God kings and priests: and WE shall reign on the earth. Remember: JESUS is the KING of kings, right? And LORD of the lords.
May the Lord God bless and keep the true believers, the true Christians, and give His protection to His peculiar people
Amen
We know that the prophet Daniel revealed that Roman Empire would be the fourth Beast upon the earth (Daniel 7:v.23), which was diverse from all kingdoms, devouring the whole earth and tread it down, and broking it in pieces.
Backing to the ancient history and to the prophecies, the Kingdom of Roman Empire is figured in the TWO LEGS OF IRON of the great statue of Nebuchadnezzar's dream, and the PICTURE of TWO LEGS OF IRON-Daniel 2:v.33- means the division of the Roman Empire in TWO parts, as is written. The prophecy claims it would be a DIVIDED KINGDOM (TWO LEGS OF IRON)- and it fulfilled itself LITERALLY: Roman Empire of Western, endured from 395 BC-476 AD- and Bizantine Roman Empire from 330AD-1.453AD ---> Both kingdoms were DISSOLVED completely, practically both Empires were politically and militarily dissolved AND THEIR INHABITANTS spread among nations, I think each one of these two empires were transformed into a SPECIFIC and distincts religious Powers until today.
Notice that until this present time of Apocalypse, in which we are living, did not rise up any other UNIVERSAL Empire besides the Roman Empire, right? But it will rise up FROM NOW ON, as soon as the second Beast manifest himself, who shall come up out of the earth-Rev.13:v.11-18-and then there will be TWO religious Beasts reigning on the Earth, one in Rome - a Gentile Beast(Rev.13:v.1-10)-and another in JERUSALEM-Israel-a Jewish Beast-Rev.13:v.11-18.
Both CATHOLICISM(Iron) and the esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist JUDAISM(Clay) will build the religious and SATANIC Universal Kingdom of Antichrist. This will be the FIFTH Universal Kingdom, the Universal Antichrist's Empire, revealed in the TWO feet and 10 TOES of the great IMAGE, in part of IRON and in part of CLAY-Daniel 2:v.40-43. WE ARE LIVING EXACTLY IN THE TIME COMPREENDED BY TWO FEET AND 10 TOES OF THE IMAGE OF NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S DREAM - IRON AND CLAY. By the way, there is no other people than the people of Israel that is called by Scriptures as MADE of CLAY by the Potter's clay. Isaiah 64:v.8 among others.
The Jewish Beast, the Beast from the earth, who is a false messiah, is of the tribe of Dan, he is the Old Serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world. 2Thes.2:v. 9-10 ---> 9-Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
The 10 TOES of clay are the 10 tribes of the 12 tribes of Israel, which REBELLED against the house of David. By the way. JESUS is of the house of David and this explains why the people of Israel reject Him. Behold, we have just arrived in the time of the TWO feet and 10 TOES,(10 TOES:this detail is very important) part of iron and part of clay. We can see here that the complete extension of the universal Roman Empire is represented in the TWO LEGS exclusively, ln this time of the FEET and 10 TOES, in which we are living, the history is another, very very different, because the ORIGINAL Roman Empire was DISSOLVED by entire IN TWO PARTS figured in the TWO LEGS OF IRON,and it fulfilled LITERALLY: Roman Empire of Western, endured from 395BC-476AD- Bizantine Roman Empire from 330AD-1.453AD --->Both kingdoms were DISSOLVED completely, EXCEPT ITS RELIGIOUS SYSTEM which remains until this present time of Apocalypse, practically both empires were politically and militarily dissolved AND THEIR INHABITANTS spread among nations, both empires were transformed into A SPECIFIC religious Powers until today.
Furthermore, now, in the End of the times, these TWO Beasts will make a deal who will RULE FIRST the universal Antichrist's Kingdom, and the prophecy in the book of Revelation states, reveals, Revelation 13:v.5, that who will reign THE FIRST PERIOD OF 42 MONTHS OR 1260 DAYS is the Gentile Beast, the Pope through the woman, the Great Whore, that rides upon him.
Ended 42 months, who will assume the Antichrist's Empire is the Jewish Beast like a lamb, in fact a false lamb, a false messiah, the son of perdition, the own Satan incarnated, a former Cherub, an ESOTERICA, and KABBALISTIC, and SPIRITIST messiah, in fact an IMPOSTER, and he will reign in the second period of 42 months, and the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION will be established by 1;290 days. Here ends the devilish world of the Devil, the old Serpent. The Kingdom of God will be established as is written in Revelation 11:v.15 and Rev.5:v.10, as follow:
Rev.11:v.15 - The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev. 5:v.10 - And hast MADE US unto our God kings and priests: and WE shall reign on the earth. Remember: JESUS is the KING of kings, right? And LORD of the lords.
May the Lord God bless and keep the true believers, the true Christians, and give His protection to His peculiar people
Amen
Repent from what, like believing in the "Real Presence" of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist? Using the correct elements of wine and unleavened bread in Holy Communion? Having Holy Communion as the focus of our worship service? Believing in the Seven Sacraments? Saying the "Our Father" prayer as it is written? Professing the Nicene and Apostles creeds? Believing in the Apostolic succession? Believing in an orthodox interpretation of the Holy Scriptures that goes back to the beginning of the Christian Church? Sorry, but there is not one of those things listed that needs to be repented of - not one!
Particular
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Killing hundreds of thousands of people to maintain power...
Which Chick tract is that drivel from?
Oh good grief! The Catholic Church has already apologized for it's sins from the past, now It's time for you to do the Christian thing and move on.
Particular
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Teaching indulgences to remove people from purgatory.
Teaching purgatory.
Worshipping relics.
Praying to the dead.
Teaching Mary as sinless and a perpetual virgin.
Teaching salvation by infant baptism.
Teaching salvation by drinking wine and eating bread and then claiming it is magically the actual flesh and blood of Jesus.
Failing to understand what grace is and means
Yes, we both agree that you reject orthodox Christian doctrines. Again, there is nothing to repent from on those things you listed as the Catholic Church has the power to proclaim them as per the Scriptures. In the end God will do the judging on the Catholic Church's interpretation of the Holy Writ as He will judge your sect's interpretation of them.
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