Topics that ruffle your feathers?

1. When people leave their shopping carts in the parking lot, even when they're parked next to a cart corral.
2. When people equate having fur babies to having real babies.

I was going to keep going but the Lord reminded me that I am a wretch that does things that probably annoy other people.

 

I disagree as scripture only shows the ungodly commiting toward self-harming suicide.

I believe suicide is a sign that one was not born again thus not really trusting in what Christ accomplished.

Because God’s children are defined repeatedly in Scripture as those who have hope (Acts 24:15; Romans 5:2-5, 8:24; 2 Corinthians 1:10, etc) and purpose in life (Luke 9:23-25; Romans 8:28; Colossians 1:29).

But that God will also sustain us never allowing us to be completely overwhelmed by our burdens and suffering. (1 Peter 5:1-10,1 Corinth 1:8,Philipp1:6,Ps 37:24,54:5,55:22,)


And those who follow through with suicide ,do so because they have neither hope, joy nor purpose in their lives. Furthermore, one who repeatedly considers suicide is practicing sin in his heart and no one born of God continues on in sin.
1 John 3:9 says that “no one who is born of God practices sin.”

And finally, suicide is often the ultimate evidence of a heart that rejects the lordship of Jesus the Christ, because it is an act where the sinner is taking his life into his own hands completely rather than submitting to God’s will for it which is to endure, persevere and rejoice in the suffering of Christ. If one succombs to suicide then how can one conclude they really had the peace of Christ in there heart sense having such strengthens us in our participation in Jesus' suffering.

Not one saint ever sought self-murder in scripture but instead were willing to further there suffering unto death for the faith and not seek an easy way out of such suffering which is a form of being cowardice and those who persist in cowardly behavior involving our direction and purpose as disciples of Christ will not enter the Kingdom of God(Rev 21:8)

 

I had a similar experience and it was due to acid flashbacks from a previous unsaved time.

I was indeed saved when the flashbacks hit and I was suicidal as well but obviously unsuccessful.

 

While unsaved, from the time I was in elementary to when I was 26 I suffered from suicidal depression . It took my own dad to commit suicide while living with him to realise that such was not my best option to deal with suffering. And ohnestly I believe God used that circumstance to open my eyes and seek other pathways to deal with my pain. When I was 26, I received my first Bible ever at my dad's funeral and God used my new awareness to draw me to Christ for hope and purpose through His Word.

So I know all to well what suicide is, but God will sustain us to not choose such a path as it is against His will. The suffering I face now although painful , i rejoice in and keep moving forward by God's working in me knowing that such suffering in Christ has a higher purpose for my good to discipline me in order to make me holy and blameless before Christ returns and not be condemned with the world 1 Cor 11:32.

Again to persist in suicidal thoughts and behavior is a show of cowardly behavior, the price of being a disciple of Christ is to pick up our own poles and follow after Him partaking in His suffering through Godly discipline that leads to obedience which can result in ungodly persecution.

But know that no matter how we are treated by the ungodly and the sorrow we feel, God will sustain us and embolden us in times of trouble of all those who are His.

 

i dont, been there, done that.

Also i had a friend (over 50 years ago), a brother i am sure. He committed suicide after he discovered something really awful about his wife not even a year after they were married.

Sad, very sad and no doubt he obviously did the wrong thing.

It happens.

 

If one practices sin, are they born from above? If one repents and overcomes then they are not practiced sinners now are they.

The truth is not a man pleaser it will hurt those unwilling to accept it. And in this case it is more destructive and hateful to teach that it is ok to continue in sin than it is to admonish one that If they persist in such sin to then not repent from it , then they are not born from above.

Your method is to encourage sin and in all honesty aide them in the suicide by comforting them in it by stateing that God will overlook practiced sin.

while my method is to out of love strongly warn against such sin in hoping they fear to follow through wholeheartedly by stateing the truth of that type of behavior.

No born again Christian will loose so much hope, purpose, joy and peace in suffering that they will succomb to suicide, depression yes, but not to the point of wanting kill oneself to then follow through with it. God promises that what He started in us He will complete, sustaining us, restoring us and establishing us along the way through our tribulations. And they will soon get worse nearing the great apostasy of the faith that will reveal the antichrist who will hunt us down and kill many who will willingly die by the hands of the enemy and not seek self-murder as a quick exit from facing great pain and suffering because God works in them such perseverance to endure such suffering.

Scripture is plain that no saint followed through with suicide but that only the unsaved have succombed to it lacking what God graciously works in us.

 

CH Spurgeon struggled with chronic depression. His friends would have to counsel him off the edge.

God chooses when our time will come to an end. He does not advocate suicide, but he never tells us he disqualifies a brother or sister in Christ for successfully attempting suicide and ending one's life. God could easily have stopped it, but chose not to. For what purpose did God choose not to stop a suicide? We don't know, but we do know God has all things under his control.

We cannot judge another person's position before God. It is not our role nor our right.

 

All we know is that only God has absolute control over how and when we die, so best not to kill ourselves off...

 

My senior pastor has had to fight thru severe depression all of his adult life, so being saved does not mean that we just walk thru the daiseys on our way to heaven!

 

Slow suicide because someone is overweight? That would only make sense if someone was intentionally trying to gain wait in order to die.

Do you not in practice advocate suicide by comforting people in it? Saying don't worry, if you follow through with it God will overlook it?! You say this by believing that suicide is not a sign that one was left under sin. By ones fruit we can know between the elect and non-elect.and the elect are upheld by God even amongst the most severe tribulations.

God does not overlook practiced sin which one would have to deliberately continue in such sin unto finally commiting to it without repentance.

My stance of suicide stands backed by scripture that only the ungodly succomb to suicide.

 

IF a real Christian though did commit that sin, Heaven or hell?