Topics that ruffle your feathers?

[Sethro]

1. When people leave their shopping carts in the parking lot, even when they're parked next to a cart corral.
2. When people equate having fur babies to having real babies.

I was going to keep going but the Lord reminded me that I am a wretch that does things that probably annoy other people.

 

[Salty]

1. When people leave their shopping carts in the parking lot, even when they're parked next to a cart corral...e.

I am thankful when someone leaves a cart, esp in the handicap area. The cart makes it easier to walk I was talking to another disable lady the other day - in the parking lot and she thinks identical to me.

 

[evenifigoalone]

One of my friends is a disabled lady, and she uses the scooters in the store now. But when she used to use the regular shopping carts to get around, she would always have me leave her cart next to the handicap sign for someone else

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[JosephBKuzara]

I believe Christians are capable of suicide. It happens.

I disagree as scripture only shows the ungodly commiting toward self-harming suicide.

I believe suicide is a sign that one was not born again thus not really trusting in what Christ accomplished.

Because God’s children are defined repeatedly in Scripture as those who have hope (Acts 24:15; Romans 5:2-5, 8:24; 2 Corinthians 1:10, etc) and purpose in life (Luke 9:23-25; Romans 8:28; Colossians 1:29).

But that God will also sustain us never allowing us to be completely overwhelmed by our burdens and suffering. (1 Peter 5:1-10,1 Corinth 1:8,Philipp1:6,Ps 37:24,54:5,55:22,)


And those who follow through with suicide ,do so because they have neither hope, joy nor purpose in their lives. Furthermore, one who repeatedly considers suicide is practicing sin in his heart and no one born of God continues on in sin.
1 John 3:9 says that “no one who is born of God practices sin.”

And finally, suicide is often the ultimate evidence of a heart that rejects the lordship of Jesus the Christ, because it is an act where the sinner is taking his life into his own hands completely rather than submitting to God’s will for it which is to endure, persevere and rejoice in the suffering of Christ. If one succombs to suicide then how can one conclude they really had the peace of Christ in there heart sense having such strengthens us in our participation in Jesus' suffering.

Not one saint ever sought self-murder in scripture but instead were willing to further there suffering unto death for the faith and not seek an easy way out of such suffering which is a form of being cowardice and those who persist in cowardly behavior involving our direction and purpose as disciples of Christ will not enter the Kingdom of God(Rev 21:8)

 

[evenifigoalone]

I was suicidal when I was dealing with severe depression due to chemical imbalance in my brain, and I was definitely saved back then. Suffering to a great extent, whether physically or mentally, simply creates the desire to escape from that pain, and that is what being suicidal is born of.

I used to fantasize about the least painful ways to die. I used to wish fervently, desperately that God would take my life for me. I used to pray every night, weeping, crying myself to sleep, that God would take away my pain.
My only comfort during those times were the Psalms. I read a lot in there about feeling hopeless, in despair, etc, and it helped me feel less alone in my suffering.

If you've never been in that great pain, then you simply don't understand.

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[HankD]

I was suicidal when I was dealing with severe depression due to chemical imbalance in my brain, and I was definitely saved back then. Suffering to a great extent, whether physically or mentally, simply creates the desire to escape from that pain, and that is what being suicidal is born of.

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I had a similar experience and it was due to acid flashbacks from a previous unsaved time.

I was indeed saved when the flashbacks hit and I was suicidal as well but obviously unsuccessful.

 

[JosephBKuzara]

While unsaved, from the time I was in elementary to when I was 26 I suffered from suicidal depression . It took my own dad to commit suicide while living with him to realise that such was not my best option to deal with suffering. And ohnestly I believe God used that circumstance to open my eyes and seek other pathways to deal with my pain. When I was 26, I received my first Bible ever at my dad's funeral and God used my new awareness to draw me to Christ for hope and purpose through His Word.

So I know all to well what suicide is, but God will sustain us to not choose such a path as it is against His will. The suffering I face now although painful , i rejoice in and keep moving forward by God's working in me knowing that such suffering in Christ has a higher purpose for my good to discipline me in order to make me holy and blameless before Christ returns and not be condemned with the world 1 Cor 11:32.

Again to persist in suicidal thoughts and behavior is a show of cowardly behavior, the price of being a disciple of Christ is to pick up our own poles and follow after Him partaking in His suffering through Godly discipline that leads to obedience which can result in ungodly persecution.

But know that no matter how we are treated by the ungodly and the sorrow we feel, God will sustain us and embolden us in times of trouble of all those who are His.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I very strongly disagree

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[HankD]

I very strongly disagree

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i dont, been there, done that.

Also i had a friend (over 50 years ago), a brother i am sure. He committed suicide after he discovered something really awful about his wife not even a year after they were married.

Sad, very sad and no doubt he obviously did the wrong thing.

It happens.

 

[Scarlett O.]

I believe suicide is a sign that one was not born again thus not really trusting in what Christ accomplished.

And those who follow through with suicide ,do so because they have neither hope, joy nor purpose in their lives. Furthermore, one who repeatedly considers suicide is practicing sin in his heart and no one born of God continues on in sin.

1 John 3:9 says that “no one who is born of God practices sin.”

I cannot begin to tell you how dead wrong you are on this. I can only pray that no Christian who is clinically depressed enough, or having gone through trauma enough, or is under the horrible influence of a botched prescription drug enough will read your post. If they believe you and say to themselves - "Gee, I know I am a Christian struggle with suicidal tendencies - but this guy says I'm not saved! " Do you see the damage that can be done?

For example: The leading stats from the VA are that, on average, 20 United States veterans commit suicide daily. Since 2020 started 51 days ago, that's 1,020 men and women who have committed suicide that served our country. By the end of the year that will be 7,320 men and women just in the category of veterans who will have taken their own life simply because they did not have access to mental health care.

Are you saying that every veteran who takes his or her own life is a hell-bound sinner - not a Christian and never was a Christian? All 1,020 in the past 51 days? NONE were Christians???

I've been a Christian for 50 years now. I've been at the point of suicide twice. Once under extreme and debilitating depression which makes you feel 100% alone. Knowing you are saved, but unable to find God in the black hole you are sinking in. And once under the influence of a new prescription drug that was dangerous and I should have never been put on. I had the whole thing planned and practiced in my head. I wanted to make sure my parents didn't find me in my house and I had that taken care of. I won't go into detail as I do not want to influence passer-by or visiting guest who is just taken a glance at the BB.

If, at those two points in my life, I had read your post, I would have gone through with it. I can tell you, your post would have been my tipping point when I was in that state of mind.

You mentioned self-harm and how no one who is saved will self-harm.

• What about the preachers behind the pulpit who weigh 350-400 pounds and are slowly committing suicide in front of their congregations?
• What about the deacons who smoke like a train for decades and are slowly killing themselves everyday?
• What about the good sisters who are addicted to their painkillers and no one knows, not even their husbands, and who are dangerously playing with life every single day?

Suicide is a definite sin and it is horrible. It does not ease the pain - it merely spreads the pain to those left behind.

Yet, suicide is NOT an unforgivable sin. You will not find that in the Bible.

 

[JosephBKuzara]

If one practices sin, are they born from above? If one repents and overcomes then they are not practiced sinners now are they.

The truth is not a man pleaser it will hurt those unwilling to accept it. And in this case it is more destructive and hateful to teach that it is ok to continue in sin than it is to admonish one that If they persist in such sin to then not repent from it , then they are not born from above.

Your method is to encourage sin and in all honesty aide them in the suicide by comforting them in it by stateing that God will overlook practiced sin.

while my method is to out of love strongly warn against such sin in hoping they fear to follow through wholeheartedly by stateing the truth of that type of behavior.

No born again Christian will loose so much hope, purpose, joy and peace in suffering that they will succomb to suicide, depression yes, but not to the point of wanting kill oneself to then follow through with it. God promises that what He started in us He will complete, sustaining us, restoring us and establishing us along the way through our tribulations. And they will soon get worse nearing the great apostasy of the faith that will reveal the antichrist who will hunt us down and kill many who will willingly die by the hands of the enemy and not seek self-murder as a quick exit from facing great pain and suffering because God works in them such perseverance to endure such suffering.

Scripture is plain that no saint followed through with suicide but that only the unsaved have succombed to it lacking what God graciously works in us.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I found a lot of comfort from God when I was in the deep dark hole of depression, but that doesn't make my suicidal time any less real. I pray you learn some sympathy and compassion for your fellow brothers and sisters who are hurting.

Aside from depression, I used to have a severe chronic pain issue in my back (it eventually healed, but I dealt with it for two years), and there was times during that that I felt I would rather be dead than in pain. Though not as severe as when I was severely mentally ill, that would still be considered suicidal ideation by a mental health professional.

May I add, my trial with addiction and severe, debilitating depression was right after the very best year of my life, where I had been walking closely with God, learning from Him daily, and felt very near to him.

 

[Scarlett O.]

If one practices sin, are they born from above? If one repents and overcomes then they are not practiced sinners now are they.

The truth is not a man pleaser it will hurt those unwilling to accept it. And in this case it is more destructive and hateful to teach that it is ok to continue in sin than it is to admonish one that If they persist in such sin to then not repent from it , then they are not born from above.

Your method is to encourage sin and in all honesty aide them in the suicide by comforting them in it by stateing that God will overlook practiced sin.

while my method is to out of love strongly warn against such sin in hoping they fear to follow through wholeheartedly by stateing the truth of that type of behavior.

No born again Christian will loose so much hope, purpose, joy and peace in suffering that they will succomb to suicide, depression yes, but not to the point of wanting kill oneself to then follow through with it. God promises that what He started in us He will complete, sustaining us, restoring us and establishing us along the way through our tribulations. And they will soon get worse nearing the great apostasy of the faith that will reveal the antichrist who will hunt us down and kill many who will willingly die by the hands of the enemy and not seek self-murder as a quick exit from facing great pain and suffering because God works in them such perseverance to endure such suffering.

Scripture is plain that no saint followed through with suicide but that only the unsaved have succombed to it lacking what God graciously works in us.

You did not answer my question. Do you believe that the 1,000+ United States veterans that have killed themselves since January 1 were all lost and unsaved?

You did not answer my second question. What about the slow suicide of the 350-400 pound man who preaches in the pulpit every Sunday?

Also, I NEVER said that it was OK to practice sin.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Condemning people for hurting is never the answer. I agree that suicide is wrong, frick, I'll even let "people who commit suicide were never saved to begin with" slide even though I'm side eyeing that too.
But to suggest that being depressed, for which the very symptoms of said disease are feelings of despair, hopelessness, and even heavy guilt for no reason, is just ignorant. Many people, including Christians, live with depression lifelong due to a chemical imbalance in their bodies--it's similar to situational depression, but not quite the same thing. (I'm not trying to say that situational depression isn't just as bad, it can be. Both can make one suicidal.)

Also, I wouldn't say that being suicidal is a choice you can just choose to just "snap out of".....it's a measure of how much pain you're in. The solution is to resolve the pain.

 

[Particular]

CH Spurgeon struggled with chronic depression. His friends would have to counsel him off the edge.

God chooses when our time will come to an end. He does not advocate suicide, but he never tells us he disqualifies a brother or sister in Christ for successfully attempting suicide and ending one's life. God could easily have stopped it, but chose not to. For what purpose did God choose not to stop a suicide? We don't know, but we do know God has all things under his control.

We cannot judge another person's position before God. It is not our role nor our right.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Some speculate that Spurgeon actually suffered from bipolar disorder--which involves periods of depression and periods of "mania" (which is when you're on a high and feel like you can do anything, it's associated with risky behavior. some of my friends with bipolar also say they get racing thoughts or anger episodes when manic)

 

[Yeshua1]

CH Spurgeon struggled with chronic depression. His friends would have to counsel him off the edge.

God chooses when our time will come to an end. He does not advocate suicide, but he never tells us he disqualifies a brother or sister in Christ for successfully attempting suicide and ending one's life. God could easily have stopped it, but chose not to. For what purpose did God choose not to stop a suicide? We don't know, but we do know God has all things under his control.

We cannot judge another person's position before God. It is not our role nor our right.

All we know is that only God has absolute control over how and when we die, so best not to kill ourselves off...

 

[Yeshua1]

Some speculate that Spurgeon actually suffered from bipolar disorder--which involves periods of depression and periods of "mania" (which is when you're on a high and feel like you can do anything, it's associated with risky behavior. some of my friends with bipolar also say they get racing thoughts or anger episodes when manic)

My senior pastor has had to fight thru severe depression all of his adult life, so being saved does not mean that we just walk thru the daiseys on our way to heaven!

 

[JosephBKuzara]

You did not answer my question. Do you believe that the 1,000+ United States veterans that have killed themselves since January 1 were all lost and unsaved?

You did not answer my second question. What about the slow suicide of the 350-400 pound man who preaches in the pulpit every Sunday?

Also, I NEVER said that it was OK to practice sin.

Slow suicide because someone is overweight? That would only make sense if someone was intentionally trying to gain wait in order to die.

Do you not in practice advocate suicide by comforting people in it? Saying don't worry, if you follow through with it God will overlook it?! You say this by believing that suicide is not a sign that one was left under sin. By ones fruit we can know between the elect and non-elect.and the elect are upheld by God even amongst the most severe tribulations.

God does not overlook practiced sin which one would have to deliberately continue in such sin unto finally commiting to it without repentance.

My stance of suicide stands backed by scripture that only the ungodly succomb to suicide.

 

[Yeshua1]

Slow suicide because someone is overweight? That would only make sense if someone was intentionally trying to gain wait in order to die.

Do you not in practice advocate suicide by comforting people in it? Saying don't worry, if you follow through with it God will overlook it?!

Yet God does not overlook practiced sin which one would have to deliberately continue in such sin unto finally commiting to it without repentance.

My stance of suicide stands backed by scripture that only the ungodly succomb to suicide.

IF a real Christian though did commit that sin, Heaven or hell?