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No is he yours because the Bible clearly teaches that the children are not responsible for the sins of there father neither is the father responsible for the sins of the children. Adam is a father to all of us including you.
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How is he adding to it? Does it or does it not say in the day you eat you will surely die?

 

How come one has to be born again then?

 

Again with the Pelagian theology...

 

" Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.
3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies." ( Psalms 58:2-3 ).

" But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:" ( Matthew 15:18-19 ).

 

The Hebrew says "Dying you shall die the death"

Young's Literal Genesis 2:17 and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.'

Romans 5:12
YLT Romans 5:12 because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;

All the main verbs are aorist - when Adam sinned:

sin entered the world
death passed on all
all sinned

we are not responsible for Adam's sin because we were there WITH HIM - WE OURSELVES SINNED WITH HIM.

The meaning of Romans 5:12 - When Adam sinned we were there and sinned with Him.
There is NOTHING to commend us to God not even the so called "innocence" of infancy - NOTHING.

We are born dead in Adam.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

 

If that is the case, then what was Adam before sin? You can't be dead in sin if you have not sinned.

 

First for contrast I'll link a picture of what I believe is wrong.

https://allinjoy.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/spirit-soul-body-demo.jpg

This greek philosophical model of the "human" is not Biblical especially when one looks at it from Old Testament point of view. A common memorized verse is

Mark 12:30 NLT
And you must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.’

But Jesus was quoting

Deuteronomy 6:5 NLT
And you must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your strength.

Notice that mind is added. But it is more than that. Where the Greeks regularly separated these entities, in the Old Testament they were meant to mean all of you. You must love the Lord your God with everything - not you must love the Lord your God with your heart first, then your soul, then your mind, and finally with your strength.

Notice the difference?

This caused problems early on with the Greek society because they were constantly wanting to separate the body and the spirit. The Greek ideal being that the body was just a container for the spirit - like a ghost in a shell. This led to all sorts of bad interpretations like you can sin with your body however you want because your soul/spirit is separate and also Jesus was only spirit because if he had a physical body it would be sinful, etc.

So I'll point out some other passages.

Ezekiel 33:15 NLT
For instance, they might give back a debtor’s security, return what they have stolen, and obey my life-giving laws, no longer doing what is evil. If they do this, then they will surely live and not die.

Proverbs 14:27 NLT
Fear of the LORD is a life-giving fountain; it offers escape from the snares of death.

Deuteronomy 30:15 NLT
“Now listen! Today I am giving you a choice between life and death, between prosperity and disaster.

In these cases following God leads to life - not just spiritually, but physically, emotionally, mentally, and throughout your entire being is life. Those who chase after other things and not God's love and are literally dead. Physically, mentally, spiritually, completely dead. Their heart isn't beating. Their blood isn't flowing. They have no thoughts and their body is cold.

Sit down and take a look at those who aren't saved. Is any part of them alive? You say their hearts are beating, but after choosing death and destruction, are their hearts really beating. Or like a suicide bomber, is their heart just waiting for time up? They have given themselves over to death and destruction.

Ephesians 2:2 NLT
You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God.

Can you understand how sad their existence is and why Jesus pitied them when he was on the cross?

So when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they were not just "spiritually dead"

Mentally, they were dead.

Genesis 3:7 NLT
At that moment their eyes were opened, and they suddenly felt shame at their nakedness. So they sewed fig leaves together to cover themselves.

Their relationship with God was dead.

Genesis 3:10 NLT
He replied, “I heard you walking in the garden, so I hid. I was afraid because I was naked.”

Their relationship with each other was dead.

Genesis 3:12 NLT
The man replied, “It was the woman you gave me who gave me the fruit, and I ate it.”

Their power over Satan was dead.

Genesis 3:13 NLT
Then the LORD God asked the woman, “What have you done?” “The serpent deceived me,” she replied. “That’s why I ate it.”

They had chosen the path of death and to physically keep them alive forever was considered a very bad idea, so the tree of life was forbidden. In this way, death entered the world. However, from very early on, God provided ways for people to choose life.

 

I have told you what the Bible says. You have told me what you believe the Bible says but you keep ignoring facts. You said that being dead in sin is being of the flesh and then say Adam was created only in the flesh. However, you present a problem with this view that you have yet to answer.

The problem is that Adam was not dead in sin prior to sinning. So dead in sin cannot simply mean of the flesh.