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Discussion in 'Pastoral Ministries' started by Steven_15, Apr 24, 2020.

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  1. Iconoclast

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    Biblical Church discipline is mark of a true Church.
     
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    Thanks for kindness and courage.
    Brother Van
     
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    Your are either a born-again child of God, sealed for His purposes by the Holy Spirit, or you remain a child of Satan. God does not save in percentages or distribute salvation based on how well the non-repentant or partially-repentant (99%) sinner performs his work assignments.

    [Isa 64:6 KJV] 6 But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

    Praise God. He has provided all the means and methods necessary to keep and maintain the proper spiritual relationship within His family!
     
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    correct - Lordship Salvation depends on me and my loyalty.
     
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    Lol....I had to re-read this post 4 times. I am not shy about going after your posts quite often. You know that is so. I was stunned at the clarity and solid instructions you offered in this response.
    You walked him through his own questions and offered solid counsel that if he is sincere, he will be helped by your response.
    If I can be critical of you, I can also sincerely commend you with this quality post.
     
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    Does cleansing make you sinless?
     
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    When you aren't sinless, how do you expect others to forsake sinning?
     
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    Fornicators are not Christians yet,much less ministers.
     
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    So have you become a christian by your sinless works? Are you perfectly holy as the Father is perfect (Mathew 5:48)?
     
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    Does Lordship salvation bring back the moral law of moses in a different name and hinder people from trusting in His grace?
     
    #50 Steven_15, Apr 25, 2020
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    no but it replaces it with another impossible task.
     
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    yes our sins are gone via the blood of Christ.
    so also with present and future tense sins.
    confessing them as we traverse the time continuum acknowledges this fact so that we receive power to mortify the flesh and remain/return to fellowship.
     
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    Isn't the "another impossible task" the same moral law of moses? How is it different?
     
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    Does mortification mean you are sinless?
     
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    no - the blood of Christ makes me sinless,

    1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
     
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    any requirement other than faith is such
     
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    By His blood God sees you sinless or you are sinless in all your actions?
     
    #57 Steven_15, Apr 26, 2020
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    Sorry, got him mixed up with R.C. Sproul. All white, old, grey-haired men look the same to me.
     
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    its not an either or

    John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
     
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    which post did you read that in? where did anyone say they became a Christian by their sinless works?
     
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