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Featured Scripture the Greatest Gift to Mankind,pt.2

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Iconoclast, May 6, 2020.

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  1. JonC

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    Please no!!. One "enlightened" member is more than enough. :Wink

    If it were up to me this thread would not be on the forum. It is what I would consider "vain philosophy" and in direct contradiction to Scripture. But the thread can stay open until Iconoclast request it be closed, someone looses their mind up in here, or it reaches 135-ish posts.

    Scripture is clear about the "greatest" gift given. I am amazed that we got a part two (like Sharknado, I guess.....so off the wall you gotta look and then try to forget what you saw :Laugh ).
     
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    To get things back on track - here is the OP from Part 1:

    and a quick reference to that thread:
    The greatest gift given to humanity

    And this OP:

     
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    Per The Bible, God revealed Himself to men prior to "The Bible". He did not lose that ability. According to Paul, He still does.

    Back to orig topic. Most important gift? Jesus Christ.
     
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    OK... I didn’t read that one.
     
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    So you operate off of an honor system... we take you at your word. Some Baptist Churches do that also and I wish they would change their names.
     
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  6. JonC

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    Yes. We are not a church. We can only deal with what people say and how they act on the board.
     
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    Yeah back to the question you don't answer which Jesus?
     
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    Brother,

    Are you just arguing to argue or do you really believe Scripture is a greater gift to humanity than Christ?
     
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    It seems to me that Iconoclast is stating that without the evidence revealed in scripture we would not know of Jesus or have an ability to definitely say "Thus sayeth the Lord."

    While Jesus has atoned for all who believe, how would people believe without God's word?
    Certainly we could recite stories passed on to us, but how would we actually know those stories weren't fabrications? How would we know that the stories Muhammad relates in the Quran are from fictional recountings of stories created in his time, not from the original eyewitnesses?
    So, yes, God's gracious gift of salvation is more amazing than anything, but how would we know this without scripture?
     
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    The only One .
    I assume you are not going to answer any of the questions I asked you.
     
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    But thee question is "What is the most important gift?".
     
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    They first believed by the testimony of Christians.

    I agree that Scripture is important. It is God breathed and His revelation to us.

    What I do not get is arguing Scripture is "the greatest" when compared to God giving Himself.

    And many of the comments have just been wrong (like we would not know sin or God) because Scripture has a different view.

    It just seems like he is making a good point in a very bad and ultimately unbiblical way.
     
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    My response was address to Reynolds. Reynolds can answer
     
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    Yes that is the question being discussed in the threat. Now you answer Jesus like I did years ago I did the same exact thing but then the person the pastor I was talkin to challenge me and said well how do you know which Jesus is it you know which Jesus is it what who is he what does he do what has he done if you don't have the scripture how do you know which Jesus is being discussed if the first person you met was a Mormon and told you that Jesus was Lucifer his half-brother with that be that Jesus would it be the angel Gabriel turned into a perfect man would that be the Jesus or is it God incarnate come to Earth to do all we know he does so the point is you don't have the real true and living God the Lord Jesus Christ without God revealing the whole purpose of history in Scripture. You never talk to Jesus I never talked to Jesus face-to-face I'm sure you pray I'm sure I pray but what I'm talkin about. There in 33 a d and heard raised from the dead see him as set we we weren't there none of us alive today were there so if not for the scripture we wouldn't have Jesus we wouldn't have the gospel we wouldn't have the whole sacrificial system the whole War all the things that's why I keep it seems like I'm asking you the same question over and over but no one who is opposed the thread is answering that question how do you know which Jesus. I sent this using voice to text so I'm driving I can't really edit it so I hope it came out okay sometime between the autocorrect and bouncing around the truck making noise it doesn't come out as clear I can't really focus totally all right
     
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    Brother,

    Are you just arguing to argue or do you really believe Scripture is a greater gift to humanity than Christ?
     
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    That’s good, you try, with variation, to get them to read or listen to Scripture, and mention the Bible was written by 40 chosen men. But how are they supposed to know that it’s true? What makes it so for them?

    And beyond that, the obvious stated goal is life in Christ, and that would be the point. The real focus is not Scripture but rather the focus of Scripture, namely the gift of God’s own Son.

    The best I could say is that, with the Holy Spirit’s guidance, Scripture is a wonderful gift that leads to the ultimate gift, illuminates that gift. Anyway, I don’t expect to convince you here, but thanks for the exchange. You can make the last comment, if the thread doesn’t close first.
     
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    I was asking based on your responses and the OP.

    Between Scripture and God loving us by giving His Son, do you really believe Scripture the greater gift? Or are you just arguing to argue?
     
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    Hello Austin it doesn't look like you're bewildered or confused at all by the Op.
    Looks like you see it you get it and you don't even see why there is even an issue about it .
    I don't think so .I am glad you read it right thank you
     
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    Ok. You were right until the preacher steered you Wrong.
    There is Jesus and there is The Bible who tells us about Jesus. Salvation is through Christ. People were saved before The Bible. The Bible could save no one without Jesus.
     
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    I pretty much agree with exactly what you saying now. The scripture is the Gateway that gives us everything it gives us the Trinity it gives us the whole setup of Redemptive history it gives us Jesus it gives us his person and work the cross it gives us instructions on every aspect of life gives us God's holy law word that we can obey and worship and praise him because of who and what he is and what he's done exactly.
     
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