Scripture the Greatest Gift to Mankind,pt.2

[JonC]

If only I would have phoned Iconoclast! I could have achieved Enlightenment!

Please no!!. One "enlightened" member is more than enough.

If it were up to me this thread would not be on the forum. It is what I would consider "vain philosophy" and in direct contradiction to Scripture. But the thread can stay open until Iconoclast request it be closed, someone looses their mind up in here, or it reaches 135-ish posts.

Scripture is clear about the "greatest" gift given. I am amazed that we got a part two (like Sharknado, I guess.....so off the wall you gotta look and then try to forget what you saw ).

 

[JonC]

To get things back on track - here is the OP from Part 1:

The bible is without question the greatest gift given to mankind.
Psalm119:33-35

and a quick reference to that thread:
The greatest gift given to humanity

And this OP:

The other thread was closed due to length, but we were just really beginning to get to a scriptural examination of the topic. Many held different ideas but did not really address the issue it seemed. What issue?

Many suggested other answers as to what they believed was the greatest gift to all of humanity.
Several tried to change the topic to who or what is superior, the scriptures or Jesus.
That was not the topic of the thread however, neither is it the topic of this thread.

What took place? We will examine some of the suggestions and why they did not answer the questions that followed.

Several suggested Jesus which would at first glance seemed an obvious answer. Years ago that was my first response. I was challenged and directed to the correct answer. This thread will continue to search the scriptures as the Bereans did.

Lk.24:
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

 

[Reynolds]

No bible right?
Who is God?
What is moral law?
If no scripture we are unsaved pagans
The responses that you're offering based on scripture but discussing what if there was no scripture how would you make these responses how would you know there is a God or his character how would you know if God is holy or not holy you would have no idea whatsoever just think of a person in the middle of the rain forest yeah he can look up like it says in Romans 1 and he can know you know that the heavens declare there's a God or he wouldn't know anything about him though. So what religions were religions do is make up their own idea of who God is what God requires and what works and rituals are they at 2 satisfyer appease the gods or whatever it is that they believe that's why in Romans one right after it says men are without excuse it goes on to explain that God gave them over to a reprobate mind because they turned from a true knowledge of God when it was a true knowledge of God to be hot and so what's left is religion where they invent their own religion and their own carnal philosophy that's the whole point of this thread.

Per The Bible, God revealed Himself to men prior to "The Bible". He did not lose that ability. According to Paul, He still does.

Back to orig topic. Most important gift? Jesus Christ.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

In the 1st thread I mentioned that a little bit I forget what post

OK... I didn’t read that one.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, but we take people at their word. Dealing with folks here for almost 20 years I have come to suspect some believe they are saved when they are not. One member even gave that testimony.

We look at how people treat one another and make a guess. But we do not put a voice to that guess as that would be a violation of the rules (and rightly so).

So you operate off of an honor system... we take you at your word. Some Baptist Churches do that also and I wish they would change their names.

 

[JonC]

So you operate off of an honor system... we take you at your word. Some Baptist Churches do that also and I wish they would change their names.

Yes. We are not a church. We can only deal with what people say and how they act on the board.

 

[Iconoclast]

Per The Bible, God revealed Himself to men prior to "The Bible". He did not lose that ability. According to Paul, He still does.

Back to orig topic. Most important gift? Jesus Christ.

Yeah back to the question you don't answer which Jesus?

 

[JonC]

Yeah back to the question you don't answer which Jesus?

Brother,

Are you just arguing to argue or do you really believe Scripture is a greater gift to humanity than Christ?

 

[AustinC]

Brother,

Are you just arguing to argue or do you really believe Scripture is a greater gift to humanity than Christ?

It seems to me that Iconoclast is stating that without the evidence revealed in scripture we would not know of Jesus or have an ability to definitely say "Thus sayeth the Lord."

While Jesus has atoned for all who believe, how would people believe without God's word?
Certainly we could recite stories passed on to us, but how would we actually know those stories weren't fabrications? How would we know that the stories Muhammad relates in the Quran are from fictional recountings of stories created in his time, not from the original eyewitnesses?
So, yes, God's gracious gift of salvation is more amazing than anything, but how would we know this without scripture?

 

[Reynolds]

Yeah back to the question you don't answer which Jesus?

The only One .
I assume you are not going to answer any of the questions I asked you.

 

[Reynolds]

It seems to me that Iconoclast is stating that without the evidence revealed in scripture we would not know of Jesus or have an ability to definitely say "Thus sayeth the Lord."

While Jesus has atoned for all who believe, how would people believe without God's word?
Certainly we could recite stories passed on to us, but how would we actually know those stories weren't fabrications? How would we know that the stories Muhammad relates in the Quran are from fictional recountings of stories created in his time, not from the original eyewitnesses?
So, yes, God's gracious gift of salvation is more amazing than anything, but how would we know this without scripture?

But thee question is "What is the most important gift?".

 

[JonC]

It seems to me that Iconoclast is stating that without the evidence revealed in scripture we would not know of Jesus or have an ability to definitely say "Thus sayeth the Lord."

While Jesus has atoned for all who believe, how would people believe without God's word?
Certainly we could recite stories passed on to us, but how would we actually know those stories weren't fabrications? How would we know that the stories Muhammad relates in the Quran are from fictional recountings of stories created in his time, not from the original eyewitnesses?
So, yes, God's gracious gift of salvation is more amazing than anything, but how would we know this without scripture?

They first believed by the testimony of Christians.

I agree that Scripture is important. It is God breathed and His revelation to us.

What I do not get is arguing Scripture is "the greatest" when compared to God giving Himself.

And many of the comments have just been wrong (like we would not know sin or God) because Scripture has a different view.

It just seems like he is making a good point in a very bad and ultimately unbiblical way.

 

[Iconoclast]

Brother,

Are you just arguing to argue or do you really believe Scripture is a greater gift to humanity than Christ?

My response was address to Reynolds. Reynolds can answer

 

[Iconoclast]

But thee question is "What is the most important gift?".

Yes that is the question being discussed in the threat. Now you answer Jesus like I did years ago I did the same exact thing but then the person the pastor I was talkin to challenge me and said well how do you know which Jesus is it you know which Jesus is it what who is he what does he do what has he done if you don't have the scripture how do you know which Jesus is being discussed if the first person you met was a Mormon and told you that Jesus was Lucifer his half-brother with that be that Jesus would it be the angel Gabriel turned into a perfect man would that be the Jesus or is it God incarnate come to Earth to do all we know he does so the point is you don't have the real true and living God the Lord Jesus Christ without God revealing the whole purpose of history in Scripture. You never talk to Jesus I never talked to Jesus face-to-face I'm sure you pray I'm sure I pray but what I'm talkin about. There in 33 a d and heard raised from the dead see him as set we we weren't there none of us alive today were there so if not for the scripture we wouldn't have Jesus we wouldn't have the gospel we wouldn't have the whole sacrificial system the whole War all the things that's why I keep it seems like I'm asking you the same question over and over but no one who is opposed the thread is answering that question how do you know which Jesus. I sent this using voice to text so I'm driving I can't really edit it so I hope it came out okay sometime between the autocorrect and bouncing around the truck making noise it doesn't come out as clear I can't really focus totally all right

 

[Reynolds]

My response was address to Reynolds. Reynolds can answer

Brother,

Are you just arguing to argue or do you really believe Scripture is a greater gift to humanity than Christ?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

RighteousnessTemperance&

That’s good, you try, with variation, to get them to read or listen to Scripture, and mention the Bible was written by 40 chosen men. But how are they supposed to know that it’s true? What makes it so for them?

And beyond that, the obvious stated goal is life in Christ, and that would be the point. The real focus is not Scripture but rather the focus of Scripture, namely the gift of God’s own Son.

The best I could say is that, with the Holy Spirit’s guidance, Scripture is a wonderful gift that leads to the ultimate gift, illuminates that gift. Anyway, I don’t expect to convince you here, but thanks for the exchange. You can make the last comment, if the thread doesn’t close first.

 

[JonC]

My response was address to Reynolds. Reynolds can answer

I was asking based on your responses and the OP.

Between Scripture and God loving us by giving His Son, do you really believe Scripture the greater gift? Or are you just arguing to argue?

 

[Iconoclast]

It seems to me that Iconoclast is stating that without the evidence revealed in scripture we would not know of Jesus or have an ability to definitely say "Thus sayeth the Lord."

While Jesus has atoned for all who believe, how would people believe without God's word?
Certainly we could recite stories passed on to us, but how would we actually know those stories weren't fabrications? How would we know that the stories Muhammad relates in the Quran are from fictional recountings of stories created in his time, not from the original eyewitnesses?
So, yes, God's gracious gift of salvation is more amazing than anything, but how would we know this without scripture?

Hello Austin it doesn't look like you're bewildered or confused at all by the Op.
Looks like you see it you get it and you don't even see why there is even an issue about it .
I don't think so .I am glad you read it right thank you

 

[Reynolds]

Yes that is the question being discussed in the threat. Now you answer Jesus like I did years ago I did the same exact thing but then the person the pastor I was talkin to challenge me and said well how do you know which Jesus is it you know which Jesus is it what who is he what does he do what has he done if you don't have the scripture how do you know which Jesus is being discussed if the first person you met was a Mormon and told you that Jesus was Lucifer his half-brother with that be that Jesus would it be the angel Gabriel turned into a perfect man would that be the Jesus or is it God incarnate come to Earth to do all we know he does so the point is you don't have the real true and living God the Lord Jesus Christ without God revealing the whole purpose of history in Scripture. You never talk to Jesus I never talked to Jesus face-to-face I'm sure you pray I'm sure I pray but what I'm talkin about. There in 33 a d and c m heard on CM raised from the dead see him as set we we weren't there none of us alive today were there so if not for the scripture we wouldn't have Jesus we wouldn't have the gospel we wouldn't have the whole sacrificial system the whole War all the things that's why I keep it seems like I'm asking you the same question over and over but no one who is opposed the thread is answering that question how do you know which Jesus. I sent this using voice to text so I'm driving I can't really edit it so I hope it came out okay sometime between the autocorrect and bouncing around the truck making noise it doesn't come out as clear I can't really focus totally all right

Ok. You were right until the preacher steered you Wrong.
There is Jesus and there is The Bible who tells us about Jesus. Salvation is through Christ. People were saved before The Bible. The Bible could save no one without Jesus.

 

[Iconoclast]

That’s good, you try, with variation, to get them to read or listen to Scripture, and mention the Bible was written by 40 chosen men. But how are they supposed to know that it’s true? What makes it so for them?

And beyond that, the obvious stated goal is life in Christ, and that would be the point. The real focus is not Scripture but rather the focus of Scripture, namely the gift of God’s own Son.

The best I could say is that, with the Holy Spirit’s guidance, Scripture is a wonderful gift that leads to the ultimate gift, illuminates that gift. Anyway, I don’t expect to convince you here, but thanks for the exchange. You can make the last comment, if the thread doesn’t close first.

I pretty much agree with exactly what you saying now. The scripture is the Gateway that gives us everything it gives us the Trinity it gives us the whole setup of Redemptive history it gives us Jesus it gives us his person and work the cross it gives us instructions on every aspect of life gives us God's holy law word that we can obey and worship and praise him because of who and what he is and what he's done exactly.