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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Jedi Knight, Jun 7, 2020.

  1. Jedi Knight

    Jedi Knight Well-Known Member
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    Yet it was before Pentecost which proves the Holy Spirit doesn't-didn't just came upon them before Pentecost.
     
  2. kyredneck

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    I've absolutely no idea how you've gone off on such a tangent as this.
     
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    Weak.

    [actually not even trying]

    Evidence of the indwelling of the Spirit amongst the OT saints abounds.
     
  4. Jedi Knight

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    For when I am weak, then I am strong.
     
  5. kyredneck

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    Maybe in your mind, to me you're weak, no scriptural response, at all. No difference between OT and NT saints. Prove me wrong.
     
  6. Jedi Knight

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    To me you're rude.
     
  7. Van

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    Sir, assertions without evidence, especially those directly contradicted by scripture are not useful.

    2Corinthians 1:22
    who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

    Ephesians 1:13
    In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

    Ephesians 4:30
    Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

    John 14:16
    “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

    2John 1:2
    for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:

    1John 3:9
    No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    1John 4:15
    Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

     
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  8. kyredneck

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    Yea, you're right. I sincerely apologize.
     
  9. Yeshua1

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    He came upon prophets and Kings in OT, but did not seal and indwell them!
     
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    Where does it say it didn't indwell them? Lack of scripture? Scripture doesn't say trinity but its sure there. That which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit. Jesus taught from the OT scriptures and examples and asked Nic are you not a teacher and don't know these things? Why because Nic was flesh only. If they are not born again in the OT they were flesh only and couldn't get it "understand".
     
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    He only was said to come upon Samson, and upon others to do His work, and then departed!
     
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    The anointing......totally separate thing like when Jesus said they would be receive POWER from on high.....totally consistent.
     
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    But when was Nicodemas born again?... How about the Ethopian eunuch?... Jesus wasn't telling Nicodemas something he needed to do but he was telling Nicodemas how it came about... Same as the Ethopian eunuch who was reading Isaiah, what he needed fuller understanding on was who birthed him... Philip didn't and neither did the water he was Baptized in, or the mode of it... All God's children are birthed by God alone by the unction of the Holy Spirit... It birthed those in the Old the same as it birthed those in the New and the now and the future... Those are my thoughts... Brother Glen:)
     
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    The fiction that OT saints were born anew is posted and reposted every year of so. Jesus had not died, therefore the "washing of regeneration" in Christ was not available to the OT Saints. That is why they had to "wait" to be made perfect. That is why they could not be indwelt. Only a born anew person can be indwelt. Everyone follows Christ in the regeneration, no one was regenerated before Christ died. He is the first born. I can go on and on but what is the use? This myth has OT Saints being placed in Christ, reborn, and sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit as a pledge for our bodily redemption, without any support from scripture.
     
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    Is your opinion but far from fact.
     
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    Sir, I provided ample evidence for the fact OT Saints were not indwelt.
    2Corinthians 1:22
    who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

    Ephesians 1:13
    In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

    Ephesians 4:30
    Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

    John 14:16
    “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

    2John 1:2
    for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:

    1John 3:9
    No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    1John 4:15
    Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

    And your response, refer to the evidence as "opinion."
     
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    No you did no such thing.
     
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    You claimed there is no choice in life.
     
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    Who gets to cherry pick from all the examples we've been given and declare them to be 'special cases'?

    You?
     
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    The Bible itself!
     
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