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Were OT saints born again?

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Van

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timtofly said:
All humanity was sealed and placed in the Lamb's book of life from before creation itself. Being sealed by the Holy Spirit does not mean one will take advantage of that fact. And just because all are sealed does not mean all are going to heaven. We have no choice in our physical birth, but all are free to opt out of their spiritual birth. One can be sealed their whole life and never get a choice. That is the claim the athiest make, that not all will get a choice. They claim to know that is true, but they claim God is not?

So we will not worry about facts we do not know. However, most educated people today have heard about Christ and the Holy Spirit has been working since conception. They can reject the truth.

OT saints were sealed and by the standard definition indwelt. No one can know when the Holy Spirit leaves one, so another fact no one knows. Besides the cross did not make everyone instantly whole or perfect. Some had not even been born yet. Accepting salvation does not seal a person. No person can choose to be sealed. They can only choose to be unsealed. Or do nothing at all and only God knows what happens, another unknown fact. Being filled with the Holy Spirit is a choice. It is taking full advantage of being sealed.

We will not be perfect, even in death, until the 5th and 6th seal is opened on the Lamb's book of life. After the 7th seal is opened, names will start being removed. The Holy Spirit will stop sealing humanity, and Faith will be complete. It will be sight only and for only less than 2.5 years at that. Less time than his first ministry on earth. The harvest of the sheep and goats, wheat and tares will be in full swing. Jesus will, once again with 144K disciples this time, be preaching to all of humanity, giving the house of Jacob one last alter call. While warning the Nations of impending thunderings.

The mistake people make is assuming a dispensational approach to the Holy Spirit, when the truth is that God in all 3 persons have worked together from day one. Yes Pentecost was a different and personal touch just for those chosen. But all have the full power of the Holy Spirit to obey God in individual tasks. It is then up to each individual to obey God. If not, most get into a routine or habit, and that is their driving force. When I say all, I include those who reject God as well. God can still use them for bringing the lost to Christ, and showing the world His glory. To bad in the end, they choose their own works, which to God is nothing.
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Sir, assertions without evidence, especially those directly contradicted by scripture are not useful.

2Corinthians 1:22
who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

Ephesians 1:13
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

John 14:16
“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

2John 1:2
for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:

1John 3:9
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1John 4:15
Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

 
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Jedi Knight

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Yeshua1 said:
He came upon prophets and Kings in OT, but did not seal and indwell them!
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Where does it say it didn't indwell them? Lack of scripture? Scripture doesn't say trinity but its sure there. That which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit. Jesus taught from the OT scriptures and examples and asked Nic are you not a teacher and don't know these things? Why because Nic was flesh only. If they are not born again in the OT they were flesh only and couldn't get it "understand".
 
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Yeshua1 said:
He only was said to come upon Samson, and upon others to do His work, and then departed!
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The anointing......totally separate thing like when Jesus said they would be receive POWER from on high.....totally consistent.
 
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Jedi Knight said:
Where does it say it didn't indwell them? Lack of scripture? Scripture doesn't say trinity but its sure there. That which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit. Jesus taught from the OT scriptures and examples and asked Nic are you not a teacher and don't know these things? Why because Nic was flesh only. If they are not born again in the OT they were flesh only and couldn't get it "understand".
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But when was Nicodemas born again?... How about the Ethopian eunuch?... Jesus wasn't telling Nicodemas something he needed to do but he was telling Nicodemas how it came about... Same as the Ethopian eunuch who was reading Isaiah, what he needed fuller understanding on was who birthed him... Philip didn't and neither did the water he was Baptized in, or the mode of it... All God's children are birthed by God alone by the unction of the Holy Spirit... It birthed those in the Old the same as it birthed those in the New and the now and the future... Those are my thoughts... Brother Glen:)
 
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The fiction that OT saints were born anew is posted and reposted every year of so. Jesus had not died, therefore the "washing of regeneration" in Christ was not available to the OT Saints. That is why they had to "wait" to be made perfect. That is why they could not be indwelt. Only a born anew person can be indwelt. Everyone follows Christ in the regeneration, no one was regenerated before Christ died. He is the first born. I can go on and on but what is the use? This myth has OT Saints being placed in Christ, reborn, and sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit as a pledge for our bodily redemption, without any support from scripture.
 
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Jedi Knight said:
Is your opinion but far from fact.
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Sir, I provided ample evidence for the fact OT Saints were not indwelt.
2Corinthians 1:22
who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

Ephesians 1:13
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

John 14:16
“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

2John 1:2
for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:

1John 3:9
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1John 4:15
Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

And your response, refer to the evidence as "opinion."
 
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