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Calvinism and Arminianism foreknowledge compared with respect to time

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Derf, Jun 10, 2020.

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  1. 1689Dave

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    Who created besides God?
     
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    Then you’d have to say that God was incomplete before He created humans. Again, your theology is sad.
     
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    Rev 12:7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
     
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    I designed and built my house.

    I’ve written a song.

    I made up the OP for this thread.

    God made man in His image, including creativity. Adam’s first act was to come up with names for the animals, and God was eager to find out what he would call them. Are you saying God made up those names for animals in direct contradiction to the scripture? Now I know why your theology is so sad—you created it outside of biblical inspiration.
     
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    God does not need to see what He already knows. And only the Son limits what He foreknows, Acts of the Apostles 1:7, Mark 13:32. Otherwise the Son being the very same God is omniscent of all thing, Hebrews 1:2-3, John 1:3.
    I am not Calvenist, and I do not think that is the Calvinist view. God created time, Hebrews 1:2.
     
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    Thanks for the response! Tell me, does God just know how many hairs on your head, or does He actually number (count) them?
     
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    You should give God the glory for causing you to do that. Remember Herrod not giving God the glory?
     
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    Revelation is symbolic, not literal. You add to the book by making it literal.
     
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    God is complete along with his decree. You cannot know or worship him unless you grasp how wicked you are and what it took to save you.
     
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    Save me from what? According to you, I’ve done nothing wrong!
     
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    The revelation needs to be understood based upon its genre, as there are passages symbolic, but also some quite literal!
     
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    Look at Christ and what it took to save our miserable souls. Isa. 53 might help keep you humble.
     
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    It's symbolic. You add to it making it literal.
     
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    God is eternal and self existing as Truine of Persons, he does not require us for anything!
     
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    Did God have a choice whether to decree or not? If He’s only complete with His decree, then He’s incomplete without it. And if His decree includes the creation of mankind, including you, then You’ve just said God needs You to be whole.
     
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    God could have just continued to exist by Himself among the trinity forever, but He chose to create the Universe and mankind!
     
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    So symbolic war is ok? What is it symbolic of?
     
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    If I’m not humble enough, according to you, it’s because God wants me to be proud.
     
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    jesus returning on a horse with sword in his mouth symbolic, but Him coming back to rule will be literal!
     
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    Are you worshipping me? If so, I hope you don’t worship God that way, by arguing with Him. But if I’m not accepting worship, then I’m not in the same boat as Herod.
     
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