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Calvinism and Arminianism foreknowledge compared with respect to time

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1689Dave

1689Dave

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Derf B said:
Agreed! God is not responsible for every evil thought and deed. But He created all “things” in heaven and earth. He created people who can have their own thoughts, and can act out in evil or in righteousness. If in evil, they need to repent of the deeds they performed.

What do you do with Jer 19:4-5 The people of Judah stopped worshiping me and made this valley into a place of worship for Baal and other gods that have never helped them or their ancestors or their kings. And they have committed murder here, burning their young, innocent children as sacrifices to Baal. I have never even thought of telling you to do that.?
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Who created besides God?
 
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Derf B

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1689Dave said:
God depends on sin to reveal his mercy, righteousness, justice, sovereignty, love, and more, How would you view yourself or him if not for sin?
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Then you’d have to say that God was incomplete before He created humans. Again, your theology is sad.
 
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Derf B

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1689Dave said:
Who created besides God?
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I designed and built my house.

I’ve written a song.

I made up the OP for this thread.

God made man in His image, including creativity. Adam’s first act was to come up with names for the animals, and God was eager to find out what he would call them. Are you saying God made up those names for animals in direct contradiction to the scripture? Now I know why your theology is so sad—you created it outside of biblical inspiration.
 
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Derf said:
2. Arminianism's view of foreknowledge is that God can see into the future, and thus knows the future.
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God does not need to see what He already knows. And only the Son limits what He foreknows, Acts of the Apostles 1:7, Mark 13:32. Otherwise the Son being the very same God is omniscent of all thing, Hebrews 1:2-3, John 1:3.
Derf said:
#1 requires that in order to know the future, God has to manufacture it- . . .
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I am not Calvenist, and I do not think that is the Calvinist view. God created time, Hebrews 1:2.
 
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Derf B

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37818 said:
God does not need to see what He already knows. And only the Son limits what He foreknows, Acts of the Apostles 1:7, Mark 13:32. Otherwise the Son being the very same God is omniscent of all thing, Hebrews 1:2-3, John 1:3.
I am not Calvenist, and I do not think that is the Calvinist view. God created time, Hebrews 1:2.
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Thanks for the response! Tell me, does God just know how many hairs on your head, or does He actually number (count) them?
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Derf B said:
I designed and built my house.

I’ve written a song.

I made up the OP for this thread.

God made man in His image, including creativity. Adam’s first act was to come up with names for the animals, and God was eager to find out what he would call them. Are you saying God made up those names for animals in direct contradiction to the scripture? Now I know why your theology is so sad—you created it outside of biblical inspiration.
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You should give God the glory for causing you to do that. Remember Herrod not giving God the glory?
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Derf B said:
Then you’d have to say that God was incomplete before He created humans. Again, your theology is sad.
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God is complete along with his decree. You cannot know or worship him unless you grasp how wicked you are and what it took to save you.
 
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Derf B

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1689Dave said:
God is complete along with his decree. You cannot know or worship him unless you grasp how wicked you are and what it took to save you.
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Did God have a choice whether to decree or not? If He’s only complete with His decree, then He’s incomplete without it. And if His decree includes the creation of mankind, including you, then You’ve just said God needs You to be whole.
 
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Yeshua1

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Derf B said:
Did God have a choice whether to decree or not? If He’s only complete with His decree, then He’s incomplete without it. And if His decree includes the creation of mankind, including you, then You’ve just said God needs You to be whole.
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God could have just continued to exist by Himself among the trinity forever, but He chose to create the Universe and mankind!
 
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Derf B

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1689Dave said:
You should give God the glory for causing you to do that. Remember Herrod not giving God the glory?
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Are you worshipping me? If so, I hope you don’t worship God that way, by arguing with Him. But if I’m not accepting worship, then I’m not in the same boat as Herod.
 
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