Featured Predestination

Can God have Glorified before he Foreknew?

 

John 6 .44
44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
OK a couple of things to notice . First this is before Jesus is crucified , and His resurrection. And We know Jesus says that He will draw all men to Him . The second point is the word CAN in verse 44
The point is about the' CAN COME ' . So basically they can come. The Father at that time is drawing all those that were physically following Jesus ( no one is physically or literally following Jesus physically today ) The ones ( sheep ) who also listened and learned of the Father . Nothing is said about the one's that are draw if they all come . Its Just that no one can come ( but they can ) unless the Father Draws. what if they don't come to Jesus ? Also Judas came . lots came but turned away .

 

I believe that from God's perspective a person who has come to be ' known of God ) Galatians 4 ) who is in Him and sealed by the Holy Spirit is as far as God is concerned is Glorified.

 

64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
what has God held back in order for everyone being able to come to Jesus ?

 

“Foreknown” means to have a relationship before, as in God loved you before you existed (thus the reason for the Predestined, Called, Justified and Glorified). Glorified means to be made perfect and sinless, a promise that is to be fulfilled for the Saints when we leave this mortal body behind. Do you really believe that you were made perfect before God even knew you, let alone before you were Justified in Christ?

I believe it a nonsensical position to take on the passage in Romans and contrary to the plain reading of the so called “golden chain”.

 

THOSE that come ARE RAISED. All, not some. Read it again and check out the context. If ALL are drawn, then ALL are raised and we have UNIVERSALISM in John 6:44.

 

Firstly there is no such thing as a ' Golden chain of redemption ' . This brain washes the person into giving up his sense making to a system . It makes far more sense from Ephesians especially to see that we are not known intimately before we exist . We are told that we were lost , enemies , strangers , without hope before being in Jesus . Galations 4 however reveals we are known by God AFTER we believe . And it makes more sense that the call is simply when we hear the ' call ' of the Gospel ( the other call is to service .To do something .This is what elect means ) . Then from being Justified and predestined to certain Justification.

 

yes those that come to Jesus , then believe will be raised . But not ALL receive .
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10¶He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 1

 

Well I’ll just hurry off an tear “Romans” out of my Bible then.
Thank you for enlightening me.

Are there many other verses that I should simply ignore as well?

 

I Do you not see that you did not have a relationship with God before you existed ?
Eph 2
11¶Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

 

who else calls it the GOLDEN !! C H A I N OF REEEEDEMPTION !!! ( for effect ) but the calvernist ? The bible however reveals are far more sure promise . All Those that have been sealed by the Holy Spirit ..till when ? Till the day of redemption. All those that believe the Gospel , are justified and predestined to Glorification. Simple

 

it's when you believe , now you are ' foreknown '

 

Your ignoring the context of Romans 8 and Ephesians 1 and John 6 .

 

Literally Calvernism is dependant on theses . That and the T in the TULIP . But because of the T it has to force the above to read into the text ,taking out of context for its proof texts .

 

You have spelled it wrong all week.
That is not a crime, but shows you have not really studied it at all.

 

Huh. It seems you are saying God is ignorant of all humans until humans choose him. Then, and only then does the lightbulb go off in God's mind so that he can know us. Apparently God is not all knowing, all powerful and all seeing. Instead he's entirely blind unti humans make themselves known to him by believing.
Does God where a red suit and say Ho, Ho, Ho? Does he like milk and cookies?

Barry, you entirely misread Galatians and thus you hone in on one phrase and create a doctrine out of it, while ignoring the context of the passage.

Galatians 3:23 - 4:12

The bolded sentences clearly show you that God knew his children far before we ever believed. Therefore, when Paul says "or rather be known by God," Paul is not saying God was ignorant of us until we believe. Paul is saying that when we believed, God saw us in Christ Jesus as sons of God. Before that, God saw us as being captive and in prison.

Please see what God says in context rather than take a phrase out of context and then create an entire false doctrine out of it, like you have done.