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[Matthew 17:1-4 NASB] 1 Six days later Jesus took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up on a high mountain by themselves. 2 And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah."

Did Peter see Moses' body after he died? Yes or No.

 

Revelation 1:14-16

 

I very rarely get into theses discussion because I too believe in a resurrected body and the same body, that went into the grave I've heard many preachers say in over my 50 years in the church... IS COMING OUT!... But we won't really know until that day what it be until it happens... But we do know this!... Brother Glen

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

I don’t know what “shibboleth” means, but I’ll assume it’s some kind of insult since you’ve said twice.

The human spirits of Moses and David are now in heaven. So, yes, they are still human.

Moses and David will both have their physical bodies resurrected, joined with their human spirits and transformed to a glorified physical bodies.

Since I answered directly, as you requested, I suppose you will address the first century heresy of denying the physical resurrection (and body) of Jesus.

peace to you

 

It's a useful word to know.

Judges 12:5-6

 

Actually, it means "a test" in that context ... usually a test if someone is genuine ... and comes from a really neat story (far more interesting than THIS TOPIC):

[Judges 12:1-6 NASB]
1 Then the men of Ephraim were summoned, and they crossed to Zaphon and said to Jephthah, "Why did you cross over to fight against the sons of Ammon without calling us to go with you? We will burn your house down on you." 2 Jephthah said to them, "I and my people were at great strife with the sons of Ammon; when I called you, you did not deliver me from their hand. 3 "When I saw that you would not deliver [me,] I took my life in my hands and crossed over against the sons of Ammon, and the LORD gave them into my hand. Why then have you come up to me this day to fight against me?" 4 Then Jephthah gathered all the men of Gilead and fought Ephraim; and the men of Gilead defeated Ephraim, because they said, "You are fugitives of Ephraim, O Gileadites, in the midst of Ephraim [and] in the midst of Manasseh." 5 The Gileadites captured the fords of the Jordan opposite Ephraim. And it happened when [any of] the fugitives of Ephraim said, "Let me cross over," the men of Gilead would say to him, "Are you an Ephraimite?" If he said, "No," 6 then they would say to him, "Say now, 'Shibboleth.'" But he said, "Sibboleth," for he could not pronounce it correctly. Then they seized him and slew him at the fords of the Jordan. Thus there fell at that time 42,000 of Ephraim.

 

You brethren have seem to overlooked 1 Corinthians 15 that applies to our resurrection and as I have heard many preachers say over the years our bodies shall be changed not exchanged... And I don't understand it, any more than you do... Brother Glen

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why are you standing here staring into heaven? Jesus has been taken from you into heaven, but someday he will return from heaven in the same way you saw him go!” (Acts)

2Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. 3And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure. (1 John)

2By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. (1 John)

7For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we jhave worked for, but may win a full reward. 9Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works. (2 John)




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Those verses say “we” will be changed, not “our bodies” will be changed. They then speak of putting on incorruption and immortality. We must know precisely what is meant by “we” before making such conclusions as you offer.

The OP questions what it means to be human, and we know from Genesis that it means far more than being flesh and blood, as there are many animals that are flesh and blood, and they are not human.

The passages mentioned so far suggest that “flesh and blood” as we know them are not specifically required.

However, no passages come to mind that speak of completely separating man from some sort of body, only from this form of our bodies.

 

We might also question just what it means to have a bodily form. Does it mean that the body entirely contains the being? Or does it only mean that the body is a way for the being to interact with others and the environs?

And then there is the Son of God. Did Jesus appearing in the flesh mean that his human body fully contained him in every way? That sounds heretical, not to mention impossible.

I see no compelling reason to think that the Son of God should or did shed his human body in the sense of having none after the ascension. In fact, the opposite seems to be the case.

 

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you