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The Jehovah’s Witnesses and The Holy Spirit

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Sep 15, 2020.

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    As the father sent Jesus, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit?
     
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    They do not capitalize Him though, so would they be seeing him as a god, like Jesus is to them?
     
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    Eternal Subordination is a big error being held and taught even among really good authors!
     
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    sure, but the fact that they call the Holy Spirit "him", can only mean that He is a "Personal Being", and not a mere "force or power"
     
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    Just curious as to why they agreed to translate in that fashion?
     
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    as is eternal generation of Jesus from the Father, which is heresy from the pit of hell!
     
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    Look at Isaiah 9:6 in their NWT, Jesus is there called "Mighty God", both in capitals!
     
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    coz the devil cannot get it "right"!
     
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    This truth is not at issue.
    As the one and the same God. But yet distinct Persons.

    The Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit being the One Yahweh were always the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit. In that they have never changed.
     
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    In the Old Testament, Jesus Christ is called "malakh YHWH", that is "The Messenger of Yahweh", Who is also called Yahweh Himself. I am of the belief that Sonship is Incarnational and not always, even though it is mentioned in the OT, it is done in Prophecy.

    Hebrews 1:5, "And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?" and Psalm 2:7, "I will proclaim the decree spoken to Me by the LORD: "You are My Son; today I have become Your Father.". Both speaking of the Incarnation and not an eternal thing.
     
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    Would not each person of the trinity be self existent from eternity?
     
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    Wonder how long they will keep it there before 'editing" it?
     
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    before the Incarnation, was he not Jesus, but the eternal Word of the father?
     
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    Eternal subordination only applies if the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit were and always the three distinct Persons but never being any suborudination in being the One Yehwah.
     
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    I think the point is though that Jesus did not "need" the father in order to also be God!
     
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    All appearances of Yehwah is the Son ( per John 1:18). Yes, both Hebrews 1:5 and Psalms 2:7 refer to the resurrected incatnate Son (Acts of the Apostles 13:33, Romans 1:4).
     
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    So is that your way of denying the eternaly of the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit to have always to be so in the Trinity? There are Christians who believe that began with the incarnation.
     
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    I differ, as there is good evidence to show that these passages refer to the Inarnation. In what was was Jesus "begotten" at His Resurrescion? Surely it should read "reborn", rather than "begot"?
     
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    Jesus is His Name, meaning "Saviour", and not prior to the Incarnation where He is not called this in the Old Testament. I am not sure what you mean by, "but the eternal Word of the father?", this sound like subordination to me?
     
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